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Old 08-01-2008, 03:41 AM
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Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell asks that the Senate consider a bill to allow offshore drilling, but Democrats, led by Sen. Ken Salazar (D-CO) object.

Sen. McConnell then asks if the bill could be triggered when gas reaches $4.50 per gallon, then $5 per gallon, then $7.50 per gallon, and finally $10 per gallon. All objected to.

So how high does the gas price have to be for Democrats to agree to more oil drilling?
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Un- freaking believable
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The honorable senator from Colorado had better come up with an alternative P.D.Q. as in yesterday. This is so ridiculous. Unfortunately, it is no more ridiculous than the Republicans not wanting to help fund innovative technology that would take us off the oil nipple.
These people are all about posturing to make their own party look like the party of change.
For instance why did the Republican senator phrase his proposals in such a way? Answer: Because he already knew the Democrats weren't going to go for it. Probably for reasons already discussed as to inserting an alternative plan into any drilling bill. In turn The Republicans want an inclusion of drilling in any Democrat plan.
They are playing with our future. Just watching C-Span should be a great incentive to vote for your local dog catcher before we put these same tired dragging pants back into office.

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How about that?...

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I am wondering if you work for big oil redd. We know that oil componies have wells that they are not drilling. They have miles of leases that they are still exploring. Its like the right is just happy to have some kind of issue to attack dems.
My gas prices are high so they could give McCain 1.1 million in the last few weeks.
You are being used. Not one of the pols wanting to give away more leases will tell you it will bring prices down.
The real goal is to get all they can while we are worried. And I would bet the right would be happy just to give them the leaes free of charge.

I have said that I am not concerned with the drilling environmentally. I am just against doing dumb things out of fear. And this is reactionary because of recent prices. Even though the recent prices are BS

What has happened to prices in the last couple of years is manipulation. China didn't just turn on the lights and start driving cars yesterday.We are wanting to give oil away to the oil companies because some traders are playing with the oil prices. And on top of it all they have he right singing their song. As they walk away with 11 billion in profits in 3 months. I'm not against profitable companies. But there is a disconnect here. It ain't left vs right. Its partisans vs realists.
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I am wondering if you work for big oil redd. We know that oil componies have wells that they are not drilling. They have miles of leases that they are still exploring. Its like the right is just happy to have some kind of issue to attack dems.
My gas prices are high so they could give McCain 1.1 million in the last few weeks.
You are being used. Not one of the pols wanting to give away more leases will tell you it will bring prices down.
The real goal is to get all they can while we are worried. And I would bet the right would be happy just to give them the leaes free of charge.

I have said that I am not concerned with the drilling environmentally. I am just against doing dumb things out of fear. And this is reactionary because of recent prices. Even though the recent prices are BS

What has happened to prices in the last couple of years is manipulation. China didn't just turn on the lights and start driving cars yesterday.We are wanting to give oil away to the oil companies because some traders are playing with the oil prices. And on top of it all they have he right singing their song. As they walk away with 11 billion in profits in 3 months. I'm not against profitable companies. But there is a disconnect here. It ain't left vs right. Its partisans vs realists.
OK, time for a little bit of education:

Does anyone here know why buy foreign oil when we have so much of our own that is already available for drilling? Because our crude sucks!! American crude is some of the lowest grade crude on the planet. ME crude, OTH, is what is referred to as "light, sweet" crude. So what's big deal about high grade vs. low grade crude?? Refining costs. While we can drill and refine our own oil, it's more cost effective to buy ME oil and save big bucks on refining costs. Yes, we could save money by not buying foreign crude, but that savings would get chewed up in refining costs. Oil cos., like all corps., are all about the bottomline. If they could make more money drilling and refining our own oil, I can guarantee you they would do it in a heartbeat and all the NIMBYs in the world wouldn't stop them.
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Then what is the point of handing over more leases when they aren't drilling or exploring the ones they have? Why don't you believe that they are using fear as a wedge to make a large land grab. They already have everything lined up. First you work prices way up. Then you gain a bunch of cash and start repurchasing stock. Then you get you paid for minions like McConnel. Who BTW comes from Kentucky. Not a big oil state. How much does he receive from Exxon? So now the big push to get those leases? Get them now while you can get them cheap. Even if you won't use them. Why is it so hard to see.

The entire debate is ridiculous. We are fighting over an issue like it is going to solve the problem. At best it extends the inevitable.
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I say until we find another fuel for our war machine, we need to save any and all energy resources we have for ourselves. Because if there is an end to this resource and EVERYTHING that flies needs it, I'd want to make sure I have it. The end of oil has the potential to be a hugely turbulent time, and I want to have the capability to fight off any and all those who inevitably will attack us.
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OK, time for a little bit of education:

Does anyone here know why buy foreign oil when we have so much of our own that is already available for drilling? Because our crude sucks!! American crude is some of the lowest grade crude on the planet. ME crude, OTH, is what is referred to as "light, sweet" crude. So what's big deal about high grade vs. low grade crude?? Refining costs. While we can drill and refine our own oil, it's more cost effective to buy ME oil and save big bucks on refining costs. Yes, we could save money by not buying foreign crude, but that savings would get chewed up in refining costs. Oil cos., like all corps., are all about the bottomline. If they could make more money drilling and refining our own oil, I can guarantee you they would do it in a heartbeat and all the NIMBYs in the world wouldn't stop them.
Thanks for the info...I didn't know this...(And "No" Mikeyy...I have nothing to do with any oil companies)...

It may save time in refining costs using foreign oil instead of domestic, but there are two points...

1) The oil would GET to the refineries much faster due to the fact that we wouldn't be sailing it 6 thousand miles (by oil-slurping tankers no less) increasing immediate supply...

2) Even if refining our own oil would be harder, the money spent on the oil itself would STAY IN AMERICA...

If T. Boone Picken's numbers are correct, 700 billion dollars leave the country and into foreign hands...many of them undesirables...

Nullifying that by doing the work ourselves (even if it's harder to do with a tougher grade of oil) is well worth the effort...
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