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Old 06-20-2008, 10:19 PM
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Go figure. It looks like Obama has modified a symbol of the United States of America in order to further his political agenda. He has the nerve to take the existing design that our forefathers gave us and modified its design. This seems like another indication of the "change" that he has in store for all those that support him.

No need to honor the flag...no problem. No need to put hand over heart during national anthem...no problem. No need to show respect for this country's Presidential Seal...no problem. Welcome to Barack Obama's new America

This is the original "Seal of the President of the United States."



This is Obama's modified version. There is no denying where he copied it from:



It appears that Obama feels he can ignore the symbols and traditions of our great country? Why? Because he can, and his supporters could care less. It seems like another indication of what Omama has in store for us if he is elected into office.
Obama debuts new seal
By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer
Fri Jun 20, 4:05 PM ET
CHICAGO - For anyone trying to picture Barack Obama as president, his campaign offered a visual aid.

A new seal made its debut on Obama's podium Friday as he held a round-table discussion with Democratic governors. The seal, with a blue background and an eagle in the center clutching arrows and an olive branch, might remind some of the presidential version.

But on closer look, the seal is full of symbols representing Obama's campaign of change.

The presidential seal has the Latin phrase "E pluribus unum" — "Out of many, one." In place of that, Obama's seal says, "Vero possumus" — a rough Latin translation of his slogan of "Yes, we can."

On podiums at the White House, the seal is encircled with the words, "Seal of the President of the United States." Obama's Internet-driven campaign lists his Web site address in that place.

Where the presidential version has a shield over the eagle's breast, Obama's has his "O" campaign logo with a rising sun representing hope ahead.

Play of the Day: Obama debuts new seal - Yahoo! News
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Crimes and Criminal Procedure - 18 USC Section 713

Sec. 713. Use of likenesses of the great seal of the United States,
the seals of the President and Vice President, the seal of the
United States Senate, the seal of the United States House of
Representatives, and the seal of the United States Congress


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(a) Whoever knowingly displays any printed or other likeness of the great seal of the United States, or of the seals of the President or the Vice President of the United States, or the seal of the United States Senate, or the seal of the United States House of Representatives, or the seal of the United States Congress, or any facsimile thereof, in, or in connection with, any advertisement, poster, circular, book, pamphlet, or other publication, public meeting, play, motion picture, telecast, or other production, or on any building, monument, or stationery, for the purpose of conveying, or in a manner reasonably calculated to convey, a false impression of sponsorship or approval by the Government of the United States or by any department, agency, or instrumentality thereof, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

(b) Whoever, except as authorized under regulations promulgated by the President and published in the Federal Register, knowingly manufactures, reproduces, sells, or purchases for resale, either separately or appended to any article manufactured or sold, any likeness of the seals of the President or Vice President, or any substantial part thereof, except for manufacture or sale of the article for the official use of the Government of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.
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I'm sure the AG will get right on this..
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1. Define likeness in terms of patent law. The Obama emblem is distinct enough to avoid any lawsuit. There are FAR too many differences for this to be an issue.

2. Obama, to my knowledge, is not selling this seal nor marketing it as a Presidential Seal. It is the seal, emblem of his campaign.

This is yet another example of people trying to make something out of nothing.
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This is yet another example of people trying to make something out of nothing.
It's actually two-fold...

There's a legality question, but that's smalltime...

The REAL question is "Why bother?"...

On more than one thread on this very forum, (and thousands of sites across the web), we hear time and time again how Obama not wearing a flag pin is much ado about nothing because it's nothing more than symbolism which patriotism shouldn't be tied to...

So what does Obama do?...He uses the very same idea of symbolism using offical images...

Besides coming off as pretentious IMO, it's pretty hypocritical to make a "principled" stand on American images and then distort one for campaign purposes...
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The "symbol" that he uses on his podium can NOT be the "Presidential seal" and I certainly hope that he is never permitted to stand behind one. So he may "mock" it all he wishes and perhaps some will understand that lowly ass half way thru their first term senators don't have a seal of their own.
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UPDATE...

Obama Camp Drops Familiar ‘Presidential Seal’

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Barack Obama’s campaign has canned its use of an emblem that critics had panned as a theft of the official U.S. presidential seal.

The new seal was trotted out Friday at a round-table discussion with Democratic governors. It had a blue background and an eagle in the center clutching arrows and an olive branch, similar to the president’s logo.

An Obama campaign spokesperson said the seal was “a one-time thing designed for a one-time use at the governors’ meeting.”

But another campaign source told The Atlantic.com that the campaign decided to stop using the logo because it didn’t want to give the press a reason to label Obama arrogant.
Which, of course, is like removing a baseball glove, spikes, and a uniform so people don't label you as a "baseball player"...
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A lot of Obama's critique points seem to involve the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" approach.

If a Republican had done such a thing, it probably would have been sold as "confidence" and "leadership".

Obama? Just another excuse to attack...
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A lot of Obama's critique points seem to involve the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" approach.

If a Republican had done such a thing, it probably would have been sold as "confidence" and "leadership".

Obama? Just another excuse to attack...
How would've Obama been "damned" had he NOT had his own seal created?...
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How would've Obama been "damned" had he NOT had his own seal created?...
He was "damned" before he created the damn seal.
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