McCain and his goals for his 1st term in office. - Page 2

cnredd · #11 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeyy

Not quite. McCain didn't say they would all come back. And also how does stablizing Iraq even if it happened end the war on Terror? It doesn't.

That's good...because he didn't say it would...

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And by the way as long as McCain was daydreaming why didn't he say "all the children in America will have a pony".

He couldn't say that...

Too many Democratic earmarks...

Mikeyy · #12 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

That's good...because he didn't say it would...

He couldn't say that...

Too many Democratic earmarks...

Didn't he say they will be coming home because we have won the war? Thats what I thought he said.

cnredd · #13 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeyy

Didn't he say they will be coming home because we have won the war? Thats what I thought he said.

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Originally Posted by McCain

By January 2013, America has welcomed home most of the servicemen and women who have sacrificed terribly so that America might be secure in her freedom. The Iraq War has been won. Iraq is a functioning democracy, although still suffering from the lingering effects of decades of tyranny and centuries of sectarian tension. Violence still occurs, but it is spasmodic and much reduced. Civil war has been prevented; militias disbanded; the Iraqi Security Force is professional and competent; al Qaeda in Iraq has been defeated; and the Government of Iraq is capable of imposing its authority in every province of Iraq and defending the integrity of its borders. The United States maintains a military presence there, but a much smaller one, and it does not play a direct combat role.

In other words (as he's said before), There will be a military presence much like the ones we've had in Japan, North Korea and Germany for the last 60 years...

Mikeyy · #14 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

In other words (as he's said before), There will be a military presence much like the ones we've had in Japan, North Korea and Germany for the last 60 years...

Isn't that up to the Iraqis. Like they really have a choice.
So we haven't won the war in Iraq? Or we have won but the bad guys don't know it? I don't know what the status is your talking about.

End of the day this is a wish list. But remember like I said before. When has a presidency gone as planned? Never.

cnredd · #15 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeyy

Isn't that up to the Iraqis. Like they really have a choice.
So we haven't won the war in Iraq? Or we have won but the bad guys don't know it? I don't know what the status is your talking about.

Ugh...

OK...Let's look at Germany...

We've had bases there INCHES from the Berlin Wall and look how many people died and suffered because of ongoing strife and turmoil with the Eastern Bloc...

We weren't there to SAVE everybody...we were there to insure the turmoil didn't escalate into a full-out war...In other words, let the locals handle the smaller stuff...

That's pretty much McCain's goal for Iraq...keep SOME military there for intelligence, assistance, and updating, but, once again, let the locals deal with turmoil directly...

If you think that's a bad idea, I suggest you look at what happened in Afghanistan after the Russians withdrew...

Had we done this after assisting the Afghans force the Soviet Union back, we would've had the intelligence necessary to foresee (and do something about) the emergence of the Taliban and their relationship with Al Qaeda...Instead, we just walked away and left the place ripe to be taken over by radicals...

You want to repeat that in Iraq?...

Mikeyy · #16 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

Ugh...

OK...Let's look at Germany...

We've had bases there INCHES from the Berlin Wall and look how many people died and suffered because of ongoing strife and turmoil with the Eastern Bloc...

We weren't there to SAVE everybody...we were there to insure the turmoil didn't escalate into a full-out war...In other words, let the locals handle the smaller stuff...

That's pretty much McCain's goal for Iraq...keep SOME military there for intelligence, assistance, and updating, but, once again, let the locals deal with turmoil directly...

If you think that's a bad idea, I suggest you look at what happened in Afghanistan after the Russians withdrew...

Had we done this after assisting the Afghans force the Soviet Union back, we would've had the intelligence necessary to foresee (and do something about) the emergence of the Taliban and their relationship with Al Qaeda...Instead, we just walked away and left the place ripe to be taken over by radicals...

You want to repeat that in Iraq?...

I didn't say having a base there was a bad idea. It just seems funny that a candidate for the Presidency would announces his plans to have Americans stationed there without even asking the Iraqi government. Don't you find that unusual. Why not say you will station soldiers in Columbia or Venezuela?

It shows how much respect for the Iraqi government McCain has.

This is real funny if you think it over. If Obama came out and said. "I have a dream" like McCain just did he would be ridiculed. And rightfully so.

cnredd · #17 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeyy

I didn't say having a base there was a bad idea. It just seems funny that a candidate for the Presidency would announces his plans to have Americans stationed there without even asking the Iraqi government. Don't you find that unusual. Why not say you will station soldiers in Columbia or Venezuela?

It shows how much respect for the Iraqi government McCain has.

This is real funny if you think it over. If Obama came out and said. "I have a dream" like McCain just did he would be ridiculed. And rightfully so.

That's his VISION...

Just because he didn't specifically mention Iraq's approval doesn't mean that it's not part of the program...

You're assuming he'd do it and doesn't give a rat's ass what the Iraqi leaders think...That's a false assumption...

Mikeyy · #18 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 01:26 PM

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That's his VISION...

Just because he didn't specifically mention Iraq's approval doesn't mean that it's not part of the program...

You're assuming he'd do it and doesn't give a rat's ass what the Iraqi leaders think...That's a false assumption...

He obviously doesn't care what they think. Because he announced his vision as if Iraqis views were already known to him.

Anyway, Visions are like assholes. Everyone has one.

cnredd · #19 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeyy

He obviously doesn't care what they think. Because he announced his vision as if Iraqis views were already known to him.

Anyway, Visions are like assholes. Everyone has one.

What?!?!

He's already said publicly he would work with the Iraqi government on this...Don't give me this "He obviously doesn't care what they think" stuff...It's BS...

McCain defends '100 years in Iraq' statement

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Republican presidential front-runner Sen. John McCain on Thursday defended his statement that U.S. troops could spend "maybe 100" years in Iraq -- saying he was referring to a military presence similar to what the nation already has in places like Japan, Germany and South Korea...

...McCain told King he thinks opponents are taking the quote out of context. He said any long-term troop presence in Iraq would depend on agreement from the Iraqi government.

"If they don't want to and we don't feel a need to do so, obviously, the whole thing is keyed to Americans being able to withdraw and come home with honor, not in defeat," he said.

Mikeyy · #20 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

What?!?!

He's already said publicly he would work with the Iraqi government on this...Don't give me this "He obviously doesn't care what they think" stuff...It's BS...

McCain defends '100 years in Iraq' statement

This is getting bad redd. We are arguing over someones wish list. LOL

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