Republican lawmaker's budget plan gets Obama's attention

Long time coming...

When the GOP came up with their version of a stimulus plan, Obama and the Dems jumped on to every microphone they could find (and they media was glad to hand them many) and tell us how the republicans didn't have a plan...

Similiarly, when the GOP pushed over 40 bills reforming healthcare, Obama and the Dems yelled how the Republicans didn't have any alternatives...

But NOW...when the 2010 elections are anywhere between "a very bad day for Dems" and "a very, very, VERY bad day for Dems", ALL OF A SUDDEN they recognize that voice that's been trying to reach them for the last year...

Better late than never...

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"You get the respect that you give" - cnredd

Its amazing that if Obama considers anything its because he was always wrong before and is worried about elections. Or that you think the Left only considers things out of fear.
Obama said to the man that he wasn't an idealog. And that he would consider any good idea. Fact is there are some on the right who would hate to see any Republican work with Obama.
As for Ryans ideas. He is about the only righty who is thinking about solving problems. The rest are also thinking about the next election. I agree with raising the age of SS. But I am not sure about providing more customers to a overly powerful insurance industry without reform. They keep skating somehow.
Its threads like this that destroy bipartisanship. The idea that everything Obama does is based some evil self interest really pisses me off. I think Obama will work with Ryan because I think they both just want the country to do better. I think therte are a few on both sides of the aisle who have that as their first priority. Obama is one. Ryan is one. Flake from Arizona is one. Why does it always have to be made to seem dirty and calculating?

It makes me wonder again what your goal is. A better government or political advantage. I think the latter.

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Don't take any of it too seriously.

obama will never work with a republican, he will do what he has always done, pat them on the back, criticize what they propose, and dive head long into his socialist playbook to look for solutions. obama is not a team player, like most guys in power it is his way or the highway!

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The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive.
Thomas Jefferson

* An nescis, mi fili, quantilla prudentia regatur orbis?
o Translation: "Don't you know, my son, with how little wisdom the world is governed?


VIVE LIBERTE'

You say "what he always does". He has been POTUS a year. How do you know what he always does. Last year was a crazy year. Just because some of us including Obama felt that government intervention was needed and the right didn't doesn't mean he isn't willing to work nacross party lines. I don't know where you guys get the idea he is that dogmatic. I really don't. Its a narative that is pushed for partisan sake. I give him more credit then that. I do Ryan as well.

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Don't take any of it too seriously.

Past history shows you wrong...

Clinton started out the same way as Obama...Had a majority in both Houses and wanted to push a less-than-moderate agenda...even had his own healthcare thing going...

And it cost him his majorities...

Obama's not dumb...It's all but written in stone that that storm is happening again, and he needs to rech across the aisle in an attempt to prevent it...


And you believe him?...

Just as there have been politicians unwilling to reach across the asisle for decades...nay; centuries...

And right here is the problem in a nutshell...

In the original post, I explained how the Republicans pushed a stimulus plan and had multiple alternatives for healthcare reform...

This gets followed by you not even ACKNOWLEDGING this and immediately attacking the whole party because they're not "thinking about solving problems"...

That's pure, unadulterated hate......

The latter will facilitate the former...

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Yes I believe Obama is not an idealog. And I know you couldn't possibly believe that because it would not work for you.
You say Clinton made mistakes and then reached out to the other side. Its funny that you think all the good stuff has to comne from the right.

As for the rights alternatives Obama addressed some of those things didn't he? Diurectly and to the point.

As far as a republican stimulus plan. Obama was elected and the left had majorities. The right had a chance and we ended up in the dumpster. So you think the auto companies shopuld have been left to fail. You think there should have been no intervention at all. We disagree. And now the Obama stimulus is starting to pay off. So whats the issue?

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I am incredibly nauseated by how many arguments on the right are made up of "Mr X did something for the SPECULATED MOTIVE which we will criticize"

Note. They aren't criticizing the "something" in these instances.
They are MAKING UP A STORY about what Mr. X's motive was, and attacking this hypothetical motive...

And the truly sad part is they fuel each other with this incredible nonsense.
I've heard of "innocent until proven guilty", and if this were an indicting crime I'm sure many would not attempt to convict based on their hypothetical ideas.
But when it comes to SPECULATED MOTIVES, they will happily condemn people right and left without a shred of proof that the act was committed for the claimed motive...

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Republicans have a sweet racket because they run on "government is ineffective," and then when they **** things up, they go, "See." – Bill Maher

"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint.
When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist."
--Dom Hélder Pessoa Câmara

Also, from The Washington Post:

washingtonpost.com

"I spent the first part of the week thinking about President Obama's proposal for next year's budget. It's a modest document meant to take current policy and nudge it forward and leftward while beginning the hard work of pushing the deficit downward. It makes its changes at the edge of the state, freezing growth here and expanding programs there.

But I spent the latter part of the week thinking about the proposal from Rep. Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) for what our budget should look like 60 years from now. Ryan's budget is a radical document that takes current policy and rolls a live grenade underneath it. Social Security? Ryan's adds private accounts. Medicaid? Ryan privatizes it. Medicare? Same thing. Health care? Ryan repeals the subsidy for employer-provided insurance, replacing it with a tax credit."

Privatizing SS worked so well with the people of this country last time they proposed it, that I'm sure it will go over equally as well this time.

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Here, kitty kitty...

Good to see the two sides are finally trying to work together.
I don't remember hearing about a Republican "stimulus" bill.

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