Originally Posted by foundit66

I am incredibly nauseated by how many arguments on the right are made up of "Mr X did something for the SPECULATED MOTIVE which we will criticize"

Originally Posted by foundit66

I am incredibly nauseated by how many arguments on the right are made up of "Mr X did something for the SPECULATED MOTIVE which we will criticize"

Originally Posted by Michael1

You shouldn't be. I'd say there are about the same number of like arguements made by those on the left.

You just can't admit it.

Originally Posted by Michael1

You shouldn't be. I'd say there are about the same number of like arguements made by those on the left.

You just can't admit it.

Originally Posted by cnredd

Three words...

WAR...

FOR...

OIL...

Originally Posted by DownSouth

I apologize that this may be hijacking the thread, but looks like cnredd already did that. Foundit66, in the same post cnredd quoted, expounded on the comment Michael1 referenced:



Cheney (sworn into office in January 2001) and his secret energy task force were studying maps of the Iraqi oil fields and foreign suitors for Iraqi oil field contracts in March of 2001 evidencing proof of desire and plans for Iraq oil in 2001, only two months after the Bush/Cheney inauguration.

Bush/Cheney then took us to war against Iraq in 2003 because of WMD that didn’t exist, and tried to create ties between 9/11 and Iraq when no such ties existed.

The maps and lists from the secret energy task force had to be obtained through a FOIA lawsuit and the objectives and activities of the energy task force remain hidden in unsettled court cases.

War for Oil is not a “made up” argument without a shred of proof, although the truth and remaining evidence may forever be hidden by judges and courts.

Judicial Watch
Maps and Charts of Iraqi Oil Fields
These are documents turned over by the Commerce Department, under a March 5, 2002 court order as a result of Judicial Watch’s Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit concerning the activities of the Cheney Energy Task Force. The documents contain a map of Iraqi oilfields, pipelines, refineries and terminals, as well as 2 charts detailing Iraqi oil and gas projects, and “Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts.” The documents are dated March 2001. Click here to view the press release.
• Iraq Oil Map
• Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts - Part 1
• Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts - Part 2
• United Arab Emirates Oil Map
• United Arab Emirates: Major Oil and Natural Gas Development Projects
• Saudi Arabia Oil Map
• Saudi Arabia: Major Oil and Natural Gas Development Projects


Judicial Watch
CHENEY ENERGY TASK FORCE DOCUMENTS FEATURE MAP OF IRAQI OILFIELDS

Commerce & State Department Reports to Task Force Detail Oilfield & Gas Projects, Contracts & Exploration

Saudi Arabian & UAE Oil Facilities Profiled As Well

(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption and abuse, said today that documents turned over by the Commerce Department, under court order as a result of Judicial Watch’s Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit concerning the activities of the Cheney Energy Task Force, contain a map of Iraqi oilfields, pipelines, refineries and terminals, as well as 2 charts detailing Iraqi oil and gas projects, and “Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts.” The documents, which are dated March 2001, are available on the Internet at: www.JudicialWatch.org.

...Judicial Watch has been seeking these documents under FOIA since April 19, 2001. Judicial Watch was forced to file a lawsuit in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia (Judicial Watch Inc. v. Department of Energy, et al., Civil Action No. 01-0981) when the government failed to comply with the provisions of the FOIA law. U.S. District Court Judge Paul J. Friedman ordered the government to produce the documents on March 5, 2002.

...“These documents show the importance of the Energy Task Force and why its operations should be open to the public,” stated Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.

Originally Posted by saltwn

I don't remember hearing about a Republican "stimulus" bill.

Originally Posted by Gordon Shumway

That's because in the words of...well...I'll be nice here: Ms. Pelosi
[the dems] won & they'll write the bills (paraphrased; of course).
But republicans do have some stimulus ideas.

Office of the Republican Whip :: Stronger and Simpler Stimulus


Tax cuts helped -notice I said helped -get us into this mess.
The other half of that equation is spending.
I would (if king for a day)
cut spending and leave taxes in place. No rebates no bonus checks.
I would have let the housing market follow...well the market! and fall...fall... fall.
The houses would be bought up and prices would eventually increase. Meanwhile regular kids who work for a living could afford one. Construction would start in the remodeling and then it would eventually pick up.
Neither Democrats nor Republicans -pols that is- want to do anything like this. That's part of the stalemate and all of the problem. "Me!" , "No, me!"


Looks like a great place to start rather than a massive spending spree.

Originally Posted by saltwn

Tax cuts helped -notice I said helped -get us into this mess.The other half of that equation is spending.
I would (if king for a day)
cut spending and leave taxes in place. No rebates no bonus checks.
I would have let the housing market follow...well the market! and fall...fall... fall.
The houses would be bought up and prices would eventually increase. Meanwhile regular kids who work for a living could afford one. Construction would start in the remodeling and then it would eventually pick up.
Neither Democrats nor Republicans -pols that is- want to do anything like this. That's part of the stalemate and all of the problem. "Me!" , "No, me!"

Originally Posted by Michael1

The left is far from being without sin.
You're just unwilling to admit it too .

Originally Posted by Michael1

Put some effort into finding all the instances of what I stated instead of attempting to demonstrate those where what I said was questionable.

Originally Posted by Michael1

Just look over at how Salty thinks everyone who doesn't see everything exactly the way she does is 'on the take'.

Once you start down the path of believing everyone you disagree with has secret evil hidden agendas you lose the ability to think and argue rationally.

Originally Posted by Gordon Shumway

absolutely false.
How can tax cuts be even part of the problem when the fact is that they brought higher tax revenue to the federal government?
I have posted the charts in other threads.
It is spending that's the problem; not tax cuts.
Sorry you don't like it but those are the facts & they are undisputed.