Originally Posted by AlicornsPrayer

Your posts here, are the exact reason WHY the idea of discussing a book about politics is a BAD idea. Because rather then coming from a literary corner, such discussions will always come from a political standpoint and be followed by heated arguments and disagreements. Which is why there are specific forums for discussing such an issue that doesn't intrude on what a literary forum is about.

I think you'd be surprised, how the majority of people on this forum, actually don't fit your little box. The fact that they don't want to discuss a politically motivated book on the subject doesn't say a thing about what they may/may not know about the topic...It simply means that they do not wish to discuss this topic, yet again within another forum.

What is outrageous to myself is the fact that here we are on a POLITICAL online discussion forum, with MANY forums for discussing the issues you find important, yet you are insisting that your political standing MUST be also discussed in the same nature you use in other forums, within the literary forum as well. Without even understanding or accepting that the literary forum wasn't set up to discuss politics, but set up to discuss literary meaning instead.

You can't seem to seperate your politics from just simple reading for enjoyment and pleasure. You instead, are insisting you need yet another outlet to vent your political views on others and have the oppertunity to tear down those you feel 'aren't seeing it YOUR way'...

I'm wondering here, that if someone requested that a food forum be set up, how much would you be screaming when someone pointed out 'sorry, but discssuing/debating personal politics isn't what this forum was designed for'...Cause although one is food and the other is literary, those two forums were intended for discussions OTHER THEN politics.

What's equally outrageous is the fact that we didn't even get a chance to get the horse to the gate, and you shot the horse so to speak. Everything Redd was worried would happen, that we'd assured him wouldn't happen, YOU'VE managed to so with a simple thread about suggesting book titles to start the forum off with.

Good going kiddo. You've managed within a few hours of others asking for a forum to discuss great written works and what they mean to you, into a mud-slinging/insult throwing fest all on your own. Something the rest of us didn't want, cause we all knew that hotheads like yourself would do as you did...Which is rather then discuss a book, you'd be fighting your own little battle to support your own political views and disregarding other's feelings or regards in such matters...

It's sad that there's at least 7 forums designed specifically to address your issues and hold the discussions in...But you'd rather have yet another one, and you're willing to walk over anyone you see as standing in your way or a threat to your personal political views.

If such a thread as this one gets you foaming at the mouth and throwing fighting words, then I'm sure that those threads you've participated in where you said nobody was listening to you and you were having to repeat yourself so much? Seems to me they might have had good reason to put you on ignore. Cause even here, you were unable to keep your temper and discuss this in a rational, non-accusatory/aggressive manner...So the safe bet is you're even more aggressive and accusatory when particpating in the forums specifically designed for such discussions...

Originally Posted by AlicornsPrayer

I can't help but feel disappointed though Tristan. We PROMISED Redd that this forum wouldn't turn into this type of posting, which would entail moderating the forum to keep arguments from ballooning out of control.

IP, KOS, and myself gave him our word, so to speak. It was because of the discussion that the three of us were having, that Redd decided to do this in the first place...And here we are, just simply discussing which book we'd all like to start off with, and already got one poster throwing personal insults and stuff...

I can't speak for IP and KOS even though I feel they'd agree with me. When I give my word about something, it's important to me to keep it. And I feel as if my word has been broken to Redd and I somehow let him down as well as everyone else that was involved in wanting this forum set up...

Originally Posted by KnightOfSappho

I don't necessarily feel that we broke out word to Redd. This is a situation where we figure out the self-policing that we are going to have to do.

Clearly, as part of this self policing we are going to need to come up with some general guidelines for the book club. Political works are obviously off limits, and we may have to actually DEFINE literature so that we are all on the same page. I don't mean to demean anyone, but I think that this is just part of the self-policing process.

Originally Posted by tristanrobin

are you suggesting Valley of the Dolls and The Carpetbaggers could possibly not be acceptable???????

Originally Posted by tristanrobin

are you suggesting Valley of the Dolls and The Carpetbaggers could possibly not be acceptable???????

Originally Posted by Idealogically Promiscuous

Wow...you kids really took off with this idea last night!!! I am so excited about having this book club thing take off.

If I may suggest; I know this is a political discussion forum, but in this particular niche, I would like to see us stray away from ACTUAL politics for now. In fact, I would like to see the book club be more of a discussion and less of a debate. That's just my two cents.

As for book suggestions, I would like to suggest Wicked by Gregory Maguire.