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Old 12-21-2009, 04:49 PM
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In the years since their bitter battle, both former President Bill Clinton and independent counsel Ken Starr have predicted they’d be vindicated in the history books.

Now the first definitive history of the Clinton scandal is about to arrive — and neither man can be completely happy about his portrayal in its pages.

“The Death of American Virtue,” due out in February, asserts that Clinton had yet another extramarital affair, with Susan McDougal of Whitewater fame. Also in the book, Monica Lewinsky tells author Ken Gormley that she believes the president lied under oath when he described their encounters.

At the same time, Gormley offers a harsh portrait of Starr as a man out of his depth and who lost all sense of proportion. His interviews offer new ammunition to critics who contend the Lewinsky investigation was marred at its outset by improper questioning of Lewinsky in January 1998 by Starr’s lieutenants, who continued to grill her even after she asked for a lawyer.

Two presidents later, the saga feels like a far-off chapter in the nation’s history, but the book makes clear that the principals, including Clinton himself, remain keenly interested in squaring the historical record to their liking.

In three interviews with the author, Clinton makes clear — to no surprise of longtime observers of the 42nd president — how aggrieved he continues to feel over the whole episode, unspooling a stream of choice invective about his other accusers. In Clinton’s telling, the head of the House impeachment team, Henry Hyde, is a “bitter right winger” and “hypocrite” and the judge who cited Clinton for civil contempt was merely currying favor with the conservative wing of the GOP.

Through 769 pages, Gormley, a Duquesne University law professor, offers a detailed, even scholarly retelling of an epic saga of grand jury depositions, fevered partisans and a single stained blue dress that once transfixed a nation — but which many Americans are surely eager to leave in the past.

Even so, the book represents an attempt by a law professor and prominent legal pundit to write what he is billing as the most complete and evenhanded account of the tumultuous criminal investigation that explored Clinton’s affair with White House intern Monica Lewinsky, nearly ended his presidency and ultimately boomeranged on Starr, staining the professional reputation of one of America’s foremost constitutional scholars.

But with one of the principals still very much in the public eye — the former president turned globe-trotting chief of his own foundation — the revelations are sure to dredge up the unpleasant details of a president and prosecutor locked in legal combat.
If it's evenhanded, expect no one to like it...
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I think everyone has already made up their minds about Clinton and Lewinsky. Democrats love Clinton and can't see that he did anything wrong, and the right thinks he is the antichrist.
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If it's evenhanded, expect no one to like it...
If it's even-handed, it will be universally condemned by the press, Pres. Obama and Congress as a part of wide reaching, coordinated effort by conservatives ( ) designed to attack Pres. Clinton.
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So far it sounds like a run down of what we already know.
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I think everyone has already made up their minds about Clinton and Lewinsky. Democrats love Clinton and can't see that he did anything wrong, and the right thinks he is the antichrist.
I will speak for the left. We feel he did wrong. We also feel the right over reacted.
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I will speak for the left. We feel he did wrong. We also feel the right over reacted.
Over reacted???...To the president of the United States (and a lawyer) lying under oath to a federal grand jury, then obstructing justice?...
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I'm not buying what Monica is selling where Susan McDougal is concerned. A lot of rumors were going around about an affair they supposedly had but nobody ever connected the dots.

As for lies about his affair with Monica I doubt any addition info he might have given matters much at this point. It's over and done with. More tabloid revelations won't change many opinions this long after the fact.
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It's too bad Monica didn't write a book to cash in on her infamy and set the record straight.
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Over reacted???...To the president of the United States (and a lawyer) lying under oath to a federal grand jury, then obstructing justice?...
Moreover, if it had been some stodgy businessman who had been eliciting sexual favors from a subordinate, you can bet that the left would have seen it for just what it was: a case of sexual harassment.
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Moreover, if it had been some stodgy businessman who had been eliciting sexual favors from a subordinate, you can bet that the left would have seen it for just what it was: a case of sexual harassment.
Were it not for the fact that Monica has repeatedly stated that she was the one who sought out a sexual relationship with Clinton, you might have a point.
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