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Old 08-20-2009, 04:11 PM
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You just made a comment you know nothing about hoping to get support because it was anti government. But I took care of handicapped kids for 20 years. And I provided health care for 16 employees. I would say I know far more then you do about it. But attacking government is like a bumper sticker comment. And ignorant in this case.


You absolutely have no sense of humor or reality.

If you want to claim letting the government run anything would save huge chunks of time and money, I contend you are very, very far removed from reality. Government always wastes huge chunks of time and money ... I mean, do you do your own taxes or do you pay someone else to do them?
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Old 08-20-2009, 04:22 PM
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Have you ever run anything but your mouth. When you know something about what you are saying let me know. Government is bad is not a discusion. You refuse to acknowledge that the current health care system is sunsidized by taxpayers. Again, Give tax cuts to any industry and see what happens. Go to any doctor and you will find a full time person doing insurance paper work. Because they all have different rules and regulations. And different coverage. You just ignore all of that and say "Government bad Private good"
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You absolutely have no sense of humor or reality.

If you want to claim letting the government run anything would save huge chunks of time and money, I contend you are very, very far removed from reality. Government always wastes huge chunks of time and money ... I mean, do you do your own taxes or do you pay someone else to do them?
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Another simple question.


If so much money is being "moved around" by our healthcare system.....how is that "bad" for the economy?
For everyone PAYING someone is also receiving....the exception to this rule is when government TAKES money from the system, wastes most of it, and gives back a little bit.

As food becomes more expensive due to extra costs imposed by environmentalists will that be "bad" for the economy. No it will just be bad for those without enough money to afford the higher costs.
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Old 08-20-2009, 04:49 PM
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Have you ever run anything but your mouth.
For someone who bitches so much about personal attacks, you sure can't stop yourself, can you?

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You just ignore all of that and say "Government bad Private good"
More government, even worse. You're ONCE AGAIN guilty of assuming you know what I know and what I think. I suppose that's a common liberal elitist trait.
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Old 08-20-2009, 07:02 PM
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It does give tax incentives. It does allow a college student to remain on his parents' insurance till age 25. It does ask for Medicare reform.
It doesn't address the people who fall through the gap. What if their parents never had the on any insurance? What if a person doesn't qualify under any other criteria (disabled/elderly/child/welfare recipient) and actually works for a living or maybe can't find a job?


These are just comments on the above proposal.
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John Mackey was attacked for his ideas...

John Mackey: The Whole Foods Alternative to ObamaCare - WSJ.com
The above article advocates insurance reform not health care reform.
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the boycott...

Boycott Whole Foods | CommonDreams.org

BOYCOTT WHOLE FOODS | get angry WITH me!

...because they disagree with him they want to hurt his employees...?...
...the boycott certainly won't hurt him --- he's dirty rotten filthy stinkin rich...
From the article:
"He believes that corporations should not be criminally prosecuted for their crimes.

He has just launched a campaign to defeat a single payer national health insurance system.

And he’s the CEO of Whole Foods.

Primo hangout of liberal Democratic yuppies"



I believe young Democratic yuppies have a right to respond by not purchasing his products.
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Not ignorant salty, just tired of the hypocrisy of the left. They say they want to work with the other side of the aisle, but then they refuse to listen to anything the republicans have to say. When republicans try to put up an amendment the left shoots it down before anyone can vote on it.

The dems have their plan and want no one else to interfer with it, they think they know more than anyone else and that my firend is arrogance at it's worse.
Provide some evidence... show us a reasonable amendment offered by the Republicans that wasn't designed as a 'poison pill' to bring the bill down that was rejected.
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Provide some evidence... show us a reasonable amendment offered by the Republicans that wasn't designed as a 'poison pill' to bring the bill down that was rejected.
Republicans in the Senate offered 45 amendments of which two were voted on. You even admit that amendments were offered, but the dems rejected them as poison pills. Ones poison pill is anothers common sense. You can't sit there and say dems reject everything republican put forth and then when republicans tell you to "f*ck off we've had enough," blame them for walking away.
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No doubt it's going to be a Democratic bill.
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:23 PM
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Republicans in the Senate offered 45 amendments of which two were voted on. You even admit that amendments were offered, but the dems rejected them as poison pills. Ones poison pill is anothers common sense. You can't sit there and say dems reject everything republican put forth and then when republicans tell you to "f*ck off we've had enough," blame them for walking away.
You're missing the point. YOU, as a conservative, pick one that is "common sense" to advocate and let's talk about it. I've not seen any that passed muster or did anything real to reform the system. I tend to believe that I'm pretty reasonable and I'm open to any idea that will fix the problem.
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I tend to believe that I'm pretty reasonable and I'm open to any idea that will fix the problem.
I tend to believe your're open to ANY bill, whether it fixes anything or not.

If it were otherwise you might be engaging in the health insurance debate more vigorously.

You just want whatever Nancy and Harry shove down our throats.

The real tragedy in this whole situation is that half the country simply trusts Democrats in CONGRESS to write this legislation without any input whatsoever from citizens, even while we disapprove of Congress more than ever before in our history.

Lefties are trusting Obama because they're populists to once again NOT LEAD BUT FOLLOW the most hated Congress in the history of our nation.

To paraphrase Lucas, this is how democracy died ... to thunderous applause.
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