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Why Do These Guys Hate American Workers?

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I read this by Eric Kleefeld last night...
..and followed the links provided within the article.

I had this reaction: WHAT?
Boycotting GM? WHAT!

Who thinks this crap up?

Farking iceholes, that's who. And you most likely know I mean that enormous fat glob of regurgitated KenL-Ration that sits behind a microphone at some radio station. He opens his maw and stupid comes out. He wants our country to fail. He wants our,yes I said our, president to fail because Obama is our president whether he likes it or not. Now conservative radio talk show host wants the American worker to fail.

American workers. What does he have against us?

Oh, yeah...loved that little qualifier at the end of the bloviation.


"Anyway, the point is, be it General Motors, be it Chrysler -- whatever else Obama ends up controlling and running -- the American people are not going to want it to succeed. So I want all of you who work at General Motors and all of you who are members of labor unions to understand that the opposition to you is not because of you. It's because of opposition to Obama and turning America upside down and 180 degrees out of phase from what America is."

Hmmmm....odd, there wasn't any boycotting of the big banks that took TARP
money....oh, yeah, conservative radio talk show hosts must have forgot about that
bailout because it occurred during, well shall we say, during the "Not-Obama"
administration?

But, I digress.


Enough about that.....that ...Jabba the Hutt wannabe. I will not even dignify his
existence with an extra link here.

Now there's another guy, another conservative radio person on a mission to further cripple our already crippled economy. Talk about kicking somebody when they're already down. What kind of farked up logic is trapped inside these pea sized brains?

Unions brought down GM? Are you farking kidding me? This guy, Hewi....never mind, you ain't getting any free advertising from me either. This guy wants everyone to boycott GM products and services. This is simply brilliant in its stupidity.

Just how is that supposed to work, conservative radio talk show hosts? Let's empty all the factories of hard working laborers and boy, that'll teach those.......um, uh.....that'll teach 'em!


Well, I've got an idea, too. I can stay awake all night and think up stupid **** just as good as the next guy.

Why don't we American workers boycott conservative radio talk shows?

I mean, really, what useful product do they produce, besides poisonous hot air? They offer nothing constructive. They offer no solutions.

On the other hand, the American worker does produce things worthwhile.

What America is? What it is? What is America if it is not its workers?

But these guys want American workers to fail.
They want us to lose our jobs.
They want us to go bankrupt.
They want us to lose our homes.
They want to disable our ability to give our dependant children adequate care.
They want us to go on welfare.
They want us to die in the streets.

They go off on a rant without any thought other than ratings and how much fatter their book deals can get. GM and Chrysler are in bankruptcy. It's already happened, you can't go back in time and undo it. It's done. And you are not psychic so you don't know how it's going to turn out down the road. Conservative radio talk show hosts haven't even considered what might actually happen.

You didn't do your homework, jocks.

Well, I did a bit....

It didn't take much to find out who's going to be the chief restructuring officer handling the GM turnaround. His name is Al Koch. Probably his most well know turnaround was K-mart. You know....that big pre-WalMart explosion discount store chain that filed for bankruptcy protection, emerging in 2003 and a year later acquired Sears. Last time I looked, K-mart is still around...so is Sears. Leaner, yes, and still fighting gigantic WalMart. But, they survived. And workers are working because they did survive, because of careful handling by a knowledgeable restructuring specialist.

So, I've got a little more faith that GM will not fail because there is proven leadership taking control. I've got a little more faith there will be workers at work...blue collar union workers....white collar workers, too...because when the conservative radio talk show hosts prevail upon their audiences to boycott GM products and services, the pencil pushers and bean counters will lose their jobs right along with the union factory personnel.





American workers.

Just regular folks, most of them. Getting up every day, going to work, bolting that bolt, twisting that knob, pushing that pencil, going home, getting up and doing it all over again. Reminds me of a few lyrics to a Pink Floyd tune.

Not now John,AMERICAN WORKERS!

BOYCOTT CONSERVATIVE RADIO TALK SHOW HOSTS WHO WANT
YOU TO FAIL.

SAVE YOUR OWN JOBS.

MAKE THEM LOSE THEIRS INSTEAD.


We've got to get on with this
Don't what it does
But it fits on here like this.
Come at the end of the shift
We'll go and get pissed
But not now John
I've got to get on with this.


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No...

I fully understand the angle they're coming from...AND I agree with it!...

If GM SUCCEEDS as a company that threw capitalism into the dumpster due to government destroying current private free-market entities (like Ford, who did NOT ask for bailout money), then the govrnment will ultimately do that to MORE industries...

...Thus removing free-market enterprise and investment from the country altogether...The same products that BUILT this country for the last 230+ years...

If GM fails, (and I approve of it's failure 100%), it will show the government that taking over free-market enterprises clashes with the principles on which this country was founded...

Simple question that I've asked on this forum before but never got an answer yet...

"When was the last (FIRST!) time the government involved itself in free-market enterprises and ran it successfully?"...(Answer - NEVER)...
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"When was the last (FIRST!) time the government involved itself in free-market enterprises and ran it successfully?"...(Answer - NEVER)...
Wrong:The Chrysler Bailout was "government involvement",perhaps not at the level we see today but none the less..it was involvement.

The year was 1979. Jimmy Carter was in the White House. G. William Miller was Treasury Secretary. And Chrysler was in trouble. Would the federal government help save he nation's number three automaker?

Economist John Kenneth Galbraith suggested that taxpayers be "accorded an appropriate equity or ownership position" for the loan. "This is thought a reasonable claim by people who are putting up capital."

Under the leadership of Lee Iacocca, Chrysler doubled its corporate average miles-per-gallon (CAFE). In 1978, Chrysler introduced the first domestically produced front-wheel drive small cars: the Dodge Omni and Plymouth Horizon.

In 1983, Chrysler paid off the loans that had been guaranteed by US taxpayers. The Treasury was also $350 million richer.

What Was The Chrysler Bailout? - Political History: The Chrysler Bail Out
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And here is the error in your comparison...

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In 1983, Chrysler paid off the loans that had been guaranteed by US taxpayers
What we are seeing now is NOT A LOAN...

It's a takeover!...

IF...IF IF IF IF IF...The government handed over TARP (or any other) loans to Chrysler and they ran their business where they either defaulted on the loans or paid them back in full, you'd have a viable comparison...

But that's NOT what is happening...

In your scenario of Carter's era, they government did NOT interfere with the day-to-day operations...nor did they influence company policy (or in this case, dictate)...

They simply said "Here's some money...get your ducks in a row and pay us back." (and through the brilliance of Iacocca, someone who was NOT forced into the position by the government, took the ball and ran with it...like a champ)...

Not anywhere close to what's happening now...
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And here is the error in your comparison...

What we are seeing now is NOT A LOAN...

It's a takeover!...

IF...IF IF IF IF IF...The government handed over TARP (or any other) loans to Chrysler and they ran their business where they either defaulted on the loans or paid them back in full, you'd have a viable comparison...

But that's NOT what is happening...

In your scenario of Carter's era, they government did NOT interfere with the day-to-day operations...nor did they influence company policy (or in this case, dictate)...

They simply said "Here's some money...get your ducks in a row and pay us back." (and through the brilliance of Iacocca, someone who was NOT forced into the position by the government, took the ball and ran with it...like a champ)...

Not anywhere close to what's happening now...
As I stated..The Chrysler Bailout was "government involvement",perhaps not at the level we see today but none the less..it was involvement! At that time the situation though similar,did not rise to anywhere near what we are seeing today.I still believe we must not let the auto industry fail. I would have preferred simply backing a loan to them as opposed to directly financing them! To be sure...the first "bailout" is a far cry from what we've seen today but to simply let Chrysler and GM fail without .."even minimal" intervention would be capricious and irresponsible.
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No...

I fully understand the angle they're coming from...AND I agree with it!...

If GM SUCCEEDS as a company that threw capitalism into the dumpster due to government destroying current private free-market entities (like Ford, who did NOT ask for bailout money), then the govrnment will ultimately do that to MORE industries...

...Thus removing free-market enterprise and investment from the country altogether...The same products that BUILT this country for the last 230+ years...

If GM fails, (and I approve of it's failure 100%), it will show the government that taking over free-market enterprises clashes with the principles on which this country was founded...

Simple question that I've asked on this forum before but never got an answer yet...

"When was the last (FIRST!) time the government involved itself in free-market enterprises and ran it successfully?"...(Answer - NEVER)...
So, your economic and political principles are more important than American jobs. I see.

I know I'm sort-of pulling a fast punch with this, but I just don't understand how keeping traditions is more important to right-wingers than life itself as it would seem.
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No...

I fully understand the angle they're coming from...AND I agree with it!...

If GM SUCCEEDS as a company that threw capitalism into the dumpster due to government destroying current private free-market entities (like Ford, who did NOT ask for bailout money), then the govrnment will ultimately do that to MORE industries...

...Thus removing free-market enterprise and investment from the country altogether...The same products that BUILT this country for the last 230+ years...

If GM fails, (and I approve of it's failure 100%), it will show the government that taking over free-market enterprises clashes with the principles on which this country was founded...

Simple question that I've asked on this forum before but never got an answer yet...

"When was the last (FIRST!) time the government involved itself in free-market enterprises and ran it successfully?"...(Answer - NEVER)...
U.S. postal system? NASA? I know the U.S. postal system no longer recieves government money and is a self-sufficient business (until they ask for a bailout) but they were started by the government and enjoy a certain level of government protection and involvement that their competition does not.

NASA currently recieves very little from federal funding, percentage wise, but still a child of the federal government.
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U.S. postal system? NASA? I know the U.S. postal system no longer recieves government money and is a self-sufficient business (until they ask for a bailout) but they were started by the government and enjoy a certain level of government protection and involvement that their competition does not.

NASA currently recieves very little from federal funding, percentage wise, but still a child of the federal government.
Where does the USPS get the money to cover their deficit?

U.S. Postal Service Blames Weak Economy For Further Job Cuts - cbs11tv.com

PostalReporter.com Blog NAPS: USPS May Lose $3 Billion By Year’s End

And, they may be getting a bailout...
(well, they just want to rob retirees for the funds)

National Association of Postal Supervisors Legislative and Regulatory Update
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You are talking about supporting your theory. But you don't mention the fact that it would economically destroy thousands of lives. This is a good reason the right isn't in charge.
Ya know when everything looked like it was coming apart at the seams at the end of the last republican administration it was pretty well agreed across the spectrum that government intervention was needed to support the economy before it crumbled. We would have been in the ****er had there not been intervention. But as I predicted the right has a memory about as long as their....
Its embarrasing to watch the right biting at each other. Saying moronic things like boycott America. I never realized how crazy they could get. They would destroy peoples lives to prove their theory. They are sick puppies and don't deserve to lead the country.

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No...

I fully understand the angle they're coming from...AND I agree with it!...

If GM SUCCEEDS as a company that threw capitalism into the dumpster due to government destroying current private free-market entities (like Ford, who did NOT ask for bailout money), then the govrnment will ultimately do that to MORE industries...

...Thus removing free-market enterprise and investment from the country altogether...The same products that BUILT this country for the last 230+ years...

If GM fails, (and I approve of it's failure 100%), it will show the government that taking over free-market enterprises clashes with the principles on which this country was founded...

Simple question that I've asked on this forum before but never got an answer yet...

"When was the last (FIRST!) time the government involved itself in free-market enterprises and ran it successfully?"...(Answer - NEVER)...
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