Born Again Americans?

Unfortunately, I'm neither shocked nor stunned by this selective patriotism anymore...

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THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated.

Thomas Paine

In full

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Our nation has not always lived up to its ideals, yet those ideals have never ceased to guide us. They expose our flaws, and lead us to mend them. We are the beneficiaries of the work of the generations before us and it is each generation's responsibility to continue that work. - Laura Bush

Giving a liberal facts is like throwing bacon at a vegetarian. All it does it piss off the vegetarian and waste good bacon.

FS,
Why you got to get all "Thomas Painey" on us?

I don't know. What is a born again christian? I think its someone who always believed but was reinspired for some reason. So if you want to be accurate instead of sardonic it is the same concept. Not really that hard to grasp unless your bent on seeking out the negative.

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Don't take any of it too seriously.

"Born again" refers to Jesus dialog with Nicodemus. It's a metaphor for leaving behind the old ways and starting anew (like a child leaving the old ways of the womb). These people are essentially saying that they weren't Americans before, but now they are. Read Thomas Paine's speech that I linked to above to get a clear picture of the kind of people that wear this t-shirt.

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Our nation has not always lived up to its ideals, yet those ideals have never ceased to guide us. They expose our flaws, and lead us to mend them. We are the beneficiaries of the work of the generations before us and it is each generation's responsibility to continue that work. - Laura Bush

Giving a liberal facts is like throwing bacon at a vegetarian. All it does it piss off the vegetarian and waste good bacon.

There's something annoying about having to read this crap over and over and over again.
Polls show 10% of our American population wouldn't vote for a black president. That means about 20% of McCain's vote was made up of racism.
That's 1 in 5.
Perhaps I should point that out each time somebody tries to bring up the "Messiah" junk or "you voted for him cause he's black" junk, Obama support opinions which nobody on this board supports.

I would wager that the ACTUAL "Messiah" Obama supporter segment is less than 10% of our population, so shouldn't we talk about the racism that helped the Republicans to get their vote even more than we harp on a less significant "Messiah" fixation?

Regardless, the words "appears to emphasize Barack Obama" are amusing.
site:www.bornagainamerican.org obama - Google Search
If you do a google search on the web-site, you'll find ONLY FOUR HITS for "Obama".
Two of those are in INDIVIDUAL "testimonials" added to the web-site by individual followers.
The other two I can't locate on the page that google says they are on. Perhaps google screwed up.

Yet again, people exaggerate the "Obama Messiah" aspect cause they can't deal with reality...

My interpretation, or at least how I see the web-site, is a return to America OF THE PEOPLE.
Bush pissed all over the opinion of the American populace.
Public wants us out of Iraq? Tough.
Public wants some form of legalized abortion? Tough.
Scooter Libby is convicted and Bush claims he wants to "get to the bottom"? Tough. Scooter is pardoned.
Public wants stem cell research? Tough.
Public wants ENDA? Tough.
Executive Privilege in every White House Stocking, regardless of whether or not the president was actually involved...

The list goes on and on. Bush catered to a select few in his presidency, and the rest of America was left out.
But hey. Why should the Republican party start listening to people now...
It's worked so well for them the last few years...


Yeah.
Cause it would be just plain crazy to try to listen TO THE OPINIONS OF PEOPLE WHO POSTED on that web-site in the first place...
Why listen to what OTHER people actually think, when you can listen to somebody TELLING you how they think that those people think...
Born Again American ? Add Your Voice

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Republicans have a sweet racket because they run on "government is ineffective," and then when they **** things up, they go, "See." – Bill Maher

"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint.
When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist."
--Dom Hélder Pessoa Câmara

And your stats on the number of blacks (and whites) that voted for Obama ALSO BASED on nothing more than pigmentation?...

And your stats on the number of whites (and blacks) that are racist but would've voted for McCain anyway because they don't approve of Democratic leadership irrelevant of the candidate's pigmentation?...

Lies of omission...

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Do you know why your wrong. Because these people when asked before would have said they were proud Americans. There is a difference between being a proud American BTW then being proud of everything America has done.

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Don't take any of it too seriously.

I would love to have those stats. If for nothing more than to demonstrate how menial these "Messiah" and "black guilt" and "reverse racism" allegations truly are.
But unfortunately, I don't.

Yes. They exist.
But they aren't that significant...


Again, I refer people to Bush's "approval" rating.
And with McCain, we were getting version 1.5.


As opposed to the lie of commission in the article you presented?
Pretending this web-site is about Obama? When it's clearly not?
But the article was presented anyways, and you have no comment...

Furthermore, if not bringing up "your stats on the number of whites (and blacks) that are racist but would've voted for McCain anyway because they don't approve of Democratic leadership irrelevant of the candidate's pigmentation" is a "lie of omission", then it's also a lie of omission to fail to mention that every time somebody brings up "Obama Messiah" or "black guilt" junk.

How many blacks would NEVER have voted for McCain (or Republican), even if it were Edwards or Gore up there?
In 2004, Kerry got 88% of the black vote.
You think that was cause of Party politics? Or Racism?

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Republicans have a sweet racket because they run on "government is ineffective," and then when they **** things up, they go, "See." – Bill Maher

"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint.
When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist."
--Dom Hélder Pessoa Câmara

... or how about the 2/3 of Americans who DON'T want the Pigulus Package????

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Our nation has not always lived up to its ideals, yet those ideals have never ceased to guide us. They expose our flaws, and lead us to mend them. We are the beneficiaries of the work of the generations before us and it is each generation's responsibility to continue that work. - Laura Bush

Giving a liberal facts is like throwing bacon at a vegetarian. All it does it piss off the vegetarian and waste good bacon.