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It was given to a museum. What did they think the African American museum would do? Maybe they should have given it to the Smithsonian. but maybe the Smithsonian didn't want it? I don't know what museum would, honestly.

On several occasions before he died, former Confederate General Robert E. Lee expressed opposition to proposals to erect Civil War monuments and memorials, including some devoted specifically to the Confederacy.https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ro...ate-monuments/

As regards the erection of such a monument as is contemplated; my conviction is, that however grateful it would be to the feelings of the South, the attempt in the present condition of the Country, would have the effect of retarding, instead of accelerating its accomplishment; & of continuing, if not adding to, the difficulties under which the Southern people labour. https://leefamilyarchive.org/papers/...-UVA/v076.html
Do you really suppose that no museum would want a statue of a brilliant general--one who was on the losing side, but who should be in no way an offense to others?

The Civil War ended 156 years ago. What was true then--including the difficulties under which the Southern people labour[ed]"--is no longer true today. (Lee wished to reunite the country; such statues, then, would only have served to further divide us.)
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Do you really suppose that no museum would want a statue of a brilliant general--one who was on the losing side, but who should be in no way an offense to others?

The Civil War ended 156 years ago. What was true then--including the difficulties under which the Southern people labour[ed]"--is no longer true today. (Lee wished to reunite the country; such statues, then, would only have served to further divide us.)
President Lincoln wanted to reunited us, but he was murdered by a conspiracy of confederate sympathizers.
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It was given to a museum. What did they think the African American museum would do? Maybe they should have given it to the Smithsonian. but maybe the Smithsonian didn't want it? I don't know what museum would, honestly.

On several occasions before he died, former Confederate General Robert E. Lee expressed opposition to proposals to erect Civil War monuments and memorials, including some devoted specifically to the Confederacy.https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ro...ate-monuments/

As regards the erection of such a monument as is contemplated; my conviction is, that however grateful it would be to the feelings of the South, the attempt in the present condition of the Country, would have the effect of retarding, instead of accelerating its accomplishment; & of continuing, if not adding to, the difficulties under which the Southern people labour. https://leefamilyarchive.org/papers/...-UVA/v076.html
There you go again making up stories. The statue has been stored in an undisclosed location since its removal from the public park. The city has been so terrorized by the Democrat Taliban violence they voted to gift the statue to an organization that explicitly plans to destroy it claiming special privilege as alleged descendants of slaves. Anyone with a grievance even if the offense of slavery ended nearly 160 years ago is eligible to practice vendetta if their group identity is correct. It's the same toxic rationale that led the Afghanistan Taliban to destroy ancient Buddhist statues grossly mislabeled as progress toward equity.

https://nypost.com/2021/12/08/charlo...c-art-project/
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Then why are all these George Floyd statues popping up all over the place? Memorializing someone who held a gun to the belly of a pregnant woman obviously deserves to be regarded as 'sacred'.....
Democrats hold criminals in high esteem. They believe Floyd was on his way to becoming a great person. That is why he has a statue. He deserves it more than any other Democrat
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Democrats hold criminals in high esteem. They believe Floyd was on his way to becoming a great person. That is why he has a statue. He deserves it more than any other Democrat
To bad that he died from a Fentanyl overdose before he was able to go on to accomplish great things.
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President Lincoln wanted to reunited us, but he was murdered by a conspiracy of confederate sympathizers.
Lincoln was, indeed, murdered by a Confederate sympathizer...but that is in the singular.

That would be John Wilkes Booth.

No one else was responsible--either directly or indirectly.
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Lincoln was, indeed, murdered by a Confederate sympathizer...but that is in the singular.

That would be John Wilkes Booth.

No one else was responsible--either directly or indirectly.
Yes

John Wilkes Booth and his fellow conspirators planned to assassinate not just President Abraham Lincoln but also Vice President Andrew Johnson and Secretary of State William Seward.
Eight conspirators were tried by a military commission for Abraham Lincoln’s murder. David Herold, Lewis Powell, George Atzerodt, and Mary Surratt were found guilty and hanged, while Samuel A. Mudd, Michael O’Laughlen, and Samuel Arnold were sentenced to life imprisonment. Edman Spangler received a six-year sentence.

In March 1865 [Booth] and a group of conspirators in Washington, D.C., plotted to abduct [Dr. Mudd was included in case the POTUS needed attending] Lincoln, though none of those plans came to fruition.

On the morning of April 14, 1865, Booth—distraught over the collapse of the Confederacy—learned that the president would be attending a performance of the comedy Our American Cousin that evening at Ford’s Theatre. Gathering his fellow conspirators, Booth outlined a plan to assassinate not just President Lincoln but also Vice Pres. Andrew Johnson and Secretary of State William Seward. Booth tasked Lewis Powell, a tall and powerful former Confederate soldier, with the attack on Seward, to be aided by David Herold. George Atzerodt, a German immigrant who had acted as a boatman for Confederate spies, was to kill Johnson. Booth himself was to assassinate Lincoln. All three attacks were to occur at the same time (about 10:00 PM) that night.
In the event, Atzerodt failed to carry out his assignment and never approached Johnson. Powell invaded Seward’s home and slashed him repeatedly with a knife. Seward survived the attack, but his face was permanently disfigured.

You can read more at Britannica

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John Wilkes Booth and his fellow conspirators planned to assassinate not just President Abraham Lincoln but also Vice President Andrew Johnson and Secretary of State William Seward.
Eight conspirators were tried by a military commission for Abraham Lincoln’s murder. David Herold, Lewis Powell, George Atzerodt, and Mary Surratt were found guilty and hanged, while Samuel A. Mudd, Michael O’Laughlen, and Samuel Arnold were sentenced to life imprisonment. Edman Spangler received a six-year sentence.

In March 1865 [Booth] and a group of conspirators in Washington, D.C., plotted to abduct [Dr. Mudd was included in case the POTUS needed attending] Lincoln, though none of those plans came to fruition.

On the morning of April 14, 1865, Booth—distraught over the collapse of the Confederacy—learned that the president would be attending a performance of the comedy Our American Cousin that evening at Ford’s Theatre. Gathering his fellow conspirators, Booth outlined a plan to assassinate not just President Lincoln but also Vice Pres. Andrew Johnson and Secretary of State William Seward. Booth tasked Lewis Powell, a tall and powerful former Confederate soldier, with the attack on Seward, to be aided by David Herold. George Atzerodt, a German immigrant who had acted as a boatman for Confederate spies, was to kill Johnson. Booth himself was to assassinate Lincoln. All three attacks were to occur at the same time (about 10:00 PM) that night.

In the event, Atzerodt failed to carry out his assignment and never approached Johnson. Powell invaded Seward’s home and slashed him repeatedly with a knife. Seward survived the attack, but his face was permanently disfigured.
The implication seems to be that "Confederate sympathizers" who wished to thwart any reunification were utterly ubiquitous; and that this led to the assassination of President Lincoln.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Even Robert E. Lee--who commanded the Army of Northern Virginia, for the Confederates--applied for a return to US citizenship (and was granted this). He also spoke against the idea of Southerners fighting a guerrilla war against the Union forces.

Yet some people still cannot let this go--even 156 years after the end of this horrendous war.

Some of those, admittedly, are Southerners.

But more, it seems to me, are (quite inexplicably) Northerners...
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