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Old 08-23-2021, 08:47 PM
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Stop Blaming Biden for Afghanistan. He's Cleaning Up Trump's Mess

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The images coming out of Afghanistan have been disturbing. But let's be clear: The Trump Administration led us straight into this mess. And President Biden is doing everything he can to get us out of it.

In Afghanistan, President Biden got dealt yet another losing hand from the Trump Administration. Their Doha Agreement with the Taliban violated the most basic principles of self-government for the Afghan people. There was no way to enforce it or make sure the Taliban kept its word. There was no denunciation of al-Qaeda terrorists. Worst of all, the deal didn't mandate the Taliban stop attacks against Afghan security forces.

All of this set the stage for the chaotic scenes we're seeing on TV today.

Trump's deal with the Taliban was flawed from the start, which is why Trump's own officials are now scrambling to distance themselves from it. "To have our Generals say that they are depending on diplomacy with the Taliban is an unbelievable scenario. Negotiating with the Taliban is like dealing with the devil," tweeted Trump's ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley, who certainly voiced no such objections while working for Trump. She was not alone. "Our secretary of state signed a surrender agreement with the Taliban," Trump's former national security adviser, H.R. McMaster, told journalist Bari Weiss. "This collapse goes back to the capitulation agreement of 2020. The Taliban didn't defeat us. We defeated ourselves."



Even Mike Pompeo, Trump's Secretary of State and the man who negotiated the deal with the Taliban in the first place, is now denouncing it. He had the audacity to tell Fox News that the "debacle" in Afghanistan "will certainly harm America's credibility with its friends and allies." He certainly didn't seem to think so while he was laying the groundwork for the debacle in the first place.

"We're letting the Taliban run free and wild all around Afghanistan," complained Pompeo, the man who cut the deal to release the Taliban's leader from prison in the first place. Trump ordered the release of 5,000 of the top captured Taliban fighters last year—a decision his own designated "peace envoy" Zalmay Khaliizad said publicly had disturbed him. Those same fighters are now threatening the streets of Kabul.

Republican outrage was also completely absent in the first 45 days of Donald Trump's agreement, when there were over 4,500 Taliban attacks resulting in over 900 Afghan casualties. Where was the Republican outrage about the Afghan army then, when their President handed over Afghanistan to the Taliban? Nonexistent.

They saved their denunciations for Biden's efforts to clean up Trump's mess—efforts which have as yet cost many fewer lives.

But this hypocrisy is not limited to former Trump officials. Take House Republican firebrand Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH), for example, who only tweeted once in 2014 about losing an American general in combat in Afghanistan, until discovering it as a partisan issue this summer. Now that he can blame Biden for Trump's mess, he hasn't stopped tweeting about it.

Jordan is one of many Republicans hypocritically denouncing a Biden withdrawal that they championed under Trump. The Republican Party used to brag about Trump's "historic" peace deal in Afghanistan. Now, they went so far as to delete that press release to pave the way for a new, partisan attack on President Biden over the end results of that very agreement.


Twitter is awash in angry Republicans outraged about our allies in Afghanistan who we should have evacuated before we left. And yet, it is Trump—and his advisor Stephen Miller—who are the reason so many Afghan interpreters are stuck in Afghanistan due to stalled special immigrant visa application infrastructure. Former Vice President Mike Pence advisor Olivia Troye wrote on Twitter that folks like Trump and Miller made it "even more challenging" to get allies out, overriding the concerns of others in the administration. "There were cabinet msgs about this during the Trump Admin where Stephen Miller would peddle his racist hysteria about Iraq & Afghanistan," Troye wrote. "He & his enablers across gov't would undermine anyone who worked on solving the SIV issue by devastating the system at DHS & State."


In fact, at the end of last year, the Trump administration had nearly 11,000 visas authorized for Afghans who helped America during the last 20 years—but only gave out 1,300 while most of the withdrawal took place.

So whose fault is it that so many of those who helped us are stuck in Afghanistan? The burden of that responsibility falls squarely on Trump's shoulders. And it is Biden who is working diligently to get them out.

And it was Trump who bragged just this April that the process of moving the U.S. military out of Afghanistan had progressed to a point that even if President Biden wanted to, he "couldn't stop the process." Trump was right: There was nothing Biden could do to stop what was coming in Afghanistan short of another massive U.S. military deployment. According to the text of the February 29, 2020 agreement Trump signed with the Taliban, within 135 days, America would withdraw from five major bases and agreed to complete the rest of its major withdrawals within nine months. In other words, the Army agreed to pull out of Afghanistan long before Biden's inauguration, which it mostly accomplished.

So to those blaming President Biden for how the Afghanistan war is ending, let's be real: Trump led us into this mess. And he could not get us out of it.

Joe Biden is doing something Trump and two other presidents over two decades never could or would do: President Biden is ending the war in Afghanistan.

For that, he deserves our respect.
He certainly does.
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Old 08-23-2021, 09:38 PM
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Who wrote the crap above--Baghdad Bob?
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Who wrote the crap above--Baghdad Bob?
The Biden defense works like this...

"Trump said that we should go into the bar and have a couple of drinks, so if anyone gets pissed that I walked into the bar, shot the bartender, grabbed some the bottles, took the caps off, and poured them all down my face, you should blame Trump, because it was his idea!!!!!!!"...

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The Biden defense works like this...

"Trump said that we should go into the bar and have a couple of drinks, so if anyone gets pissed that I walked into the bar, shot the bartender, grabbed some the bottles, took the caps off, and poured them all down my face, you should blame Trump, because it was his idea!!!!!!!"...

you can't hide this.
there is written evidence and pictures posed during the Trump Taliban treaties.
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you can't hide this.
there is written evidence and pictures posed during the Trump Taliban treaties.
Said for the thirtieth time...

Biden's MANNER of evacuation...which had ZERO to do with Trump...is the actual problem!!!!...

Majority of People Disapprove of Biden’s Handling of Afghanistan Withdrawal

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New polls from CBS News and NBC News show a majority of Americans disapproving of President Joe Biden’s handling of the Afghanistan withdrawal.

The CBS poll shows 63 percent of people support withdrawal from Afghanistan, but 53 percent disapprove of the president on the chaos there as evacuations continue.

Only 5 percent say that the process is going “very well,” followed by 21 percent saying somewhat well, 30 percent saying somewhat badly, and 44 percent saying very badly.
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Said for the thirtieth time...

Biden's MANNER of evacuation...which had ZERO to do with Trump...is the actual problem!!!!...

Majority of People Disapprove of Biden’s Handling of Afghanistan Withdrawal
How it was done is a direct result of trump's nincompoop decision to order all this w/o input from experts in the military. https://www.axios.com/off-the-rails-...d5eb3c6e2.html

and I already mentioned the reason translators etc are on back logs, but here's a refresher:
Ex-Pence aide: Trump and Miller stymied Afghan refugee efforts
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Troye recalled sitting in meetings where Miller demanded restrictions on refugees, including those from Afghanistan and Iraq. She said the reductions in the refugee program during Donald Trump’s presidency hollowed out the government’s ability to bring the interpreters and others to the United States.
not the only things "hollowed out" by that despicable administration.
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It gets pretty annoying watching the liberal song and dance routine defending Biden the brainless. I think I would more suffer watching a monkey trying to copulate with a football.
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How it was done is a direct result of trump's nincompoop decision to order all this w/o input from experts in the military. https://www.axios.com/off-the-rails-...d5eb3c6e2.html

and I already mentioned the reason translators etc are on back logs, but here's a refresher:
Ex-Pence aide: Trump and Miller stymied Afghan refugee efforts

not the only things "hollowed out" by that despicable administration.
Biden rushed to the WH so he could sign a pile of Executive orders including destroying any semblance of border security and revoking pipeline construction permits. But he couldn't change Trump's presidential agreement with the Taliban. Must have used up all the ink in the Presidential pen writing imperial decrees. Likewise with Democrats controlling both Houses of Congress the Biden regime is too feeble to fix the so-called infrastructure problem constricting the flow of Afghan refugees.

Trump's Afghanistan mess had 2,500 US troops deployed in support of a relatively stable country. Biden's cleaning up the mess requires nearly 3X the troops to protect an airport while Afghans and US citizens desperately try to evade the Taliban so they can have a chance at seeking refuge. There is no end in sight for Biden’s troop deployment, the administration can't even tell how many Americans remain stranded by Biden's incompetence.

The Democrat party fanatic who authored the OP boasts about being a peddler of the Trump Russian conspiracy theory as a proud member of the Resistance.
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Did you pull this out of the fantasy section as it has almost nothing to do with the facts.
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Trump didn't start the war in Afghanistan.
Bush did. and most people in the U.S. supported it. And it's continuance when it made no sense.
And most people in the U.S. and every president UNTIL Trump never wanted to leave. For various pitiful reasons. (the worse being national pride)
Trump wanted to leave. But Biden actually did it But it was done in a tragically poor way.
But it seems to me there's plenty of responsibility to go around.
It's sad to me that the main thing people are focused on is "who to blame".
rather than ways the U.S. can leave and mitigate the ongoing Crap-Show.
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