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Old 09-18-2021, 07:35 PM
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Is nation-building the only reason to maintain a presence in a foreign nation?
No. Of course not.

We have soldiers in Japan and Germany some 76 years after the end of WWII; and they have long since risen from the ashes of war.
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No. Of course not.

We have soldiers in Japan and Germany some 76 years after the end of WWII; and they have long since risen from the ashes of war.
I agree.

The question, from my perspective, was entirely rhetorical given the person I quoted and asked, completely lacks intellectual integrity.

I knew he wasn't going to answer the question which is why I answered the question along the lines you have done above, noting we have been in Cuba for even longer than the end of WWII, with no intention of building a democracy.
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Yes, I know, and we left billions worth of equipment there. I guess when you pass trillion dollar spending bills every few months, billions doesn't seem like much?

How much have we spent worldwide over the last 20 years. Trillions?

Since we have had military bases around the world, we have NOT had any world wars, that saved us a few bucks,
wouldn't you say?
More importantly it saved lives. Millions. WWII was, conservatively speaking, 60,000,000 lost world wide. About 3% of the world wide population at the time.

I would suggest we not do that one again.
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We’ve spent billions of dollars over the last 20 years trying to turn Afghanistan into a stable democracy. At some point you need to acknowledge that it won’t happen.
And in the early 1960's, it was debatable whether Germany or Japan would become stable democracies. Unfortunately, nation building takes a long term concerted effort that was never even contemplated in either Afghanistan or Iraq. A massive failure of leadership from both sides of the aisle.

If we weren't going to make the commitment, we should have just bombed them back to the stone age and left.
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And in the early 1960's, it was debatable whether Germany or Japan would become stable democracies. Unfortunately, nation building takes a long term concerted effort that was never even contemplated in either Afghanistan or Iraq. A massive failure of leadership from both sides of the aisle.

If we weren't going to make the commitment, we should have just bombed them back to the stone age and left.
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