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Old 09-03-2021, 01:20 PM
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We have bases in over 70 counties and territories around the world.

There is absolutely NO combat or war casualties in ANY of those countries.

We bring peace, prosperity, and stability to every country we protect.

Why do you think Japan, Germany, and South Korea became stable democracies?
We’ve spent billions of dollars over the last 20 years trying to turn Afghanistan into a stable democracy. At some point you need to acknowledge that it won’t happen.
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Old 09-08-2021, 10:46 AM
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We’ve spent billions of dollars over the last 20 years trying to turn Afghanistan into a stable democracy. At some point you need to acknowledge that it won’t happen.
Is nation-building the only reason to maintain a presence in a foreign nation?

The USA has maintained a military base in Cuba for well over 100 years, was trying to steer the Cubans away from Communism ever an objective for retaining our presence at Gitmo?

Do you agree there is a plausible argument, based only in a strategic and national security basis, for our retention and continued use of the Baghram base?

Do you think that abandoning Baghram in early July with the sudden and surprise ending of air support for Afghan forces, cemented the quick collapse of the Afghan forces and facilitated and hastened the Taliban take-over?

What parts of Biden's disastrous backwards execution was part of Trump's evac and final departure plan, which was timed during the winter and Ramadan, not during the summer, in the middle of Taliban fighting season?
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We’ve spent billions of dollars over the last 20 years trying to turn Afghanistan into a stable democracy. At some point you need to acknowledge that it won’t happen.

Yes, I know, and we left billions worth of equipment there. I guess when you pass trillion dollar spending bills every few months, billions doesn't seem like much?

How much have we spent worldwide over the last 20 years. Trillions?

Since we have had military bases around the world, we have NOT had any world wars, that saved us a few bucks,
wouldn't you say?
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Kim Darroch, who served as British ambassador to Washington when Mr. Trump was president, said Britons should not read too much into Mr. Biden’s Afghanistan policy because it would probably not carry over to other issues, like climate change, where he is likely to be more collaborative.

“Biden has basically implemented Trump’s policy,” Mr. Darroch said. “But it’s about the only area where he has done that. In every other area, he has ripped up the policy.”

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Biden gets credit for finally admitting the failure.
I don't give Biden credit for wiping his own ass, never mind admitting his own stupidity.
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Kim Darroch, who served as British ambassador to Washington when Mr. Trump was president, said Britons should not read too much into Mr. Biden’s Afghanistan policy because it would probably not carry over to other issues, like climate change, where he is likely to be more collaborative.

“Biden has basically implemented Trump’s policy,” Mr. Darroch said. “But it’s about the only area where he has done that. In every other area, he has ripped up the policy.”

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Which is good, of course.
But Biden ran on his vast experience especially in foreign affairs he was going to restore America's place in the world. Now that his incompetence led to a debacle in Afghanistan it's back to blaming Trump. Biden can't be the wise adult in the room and the hapless victim of his predecessor. An essential part of being an adult is taking responsibility for your mistakes but Biden brazenly proclaimed his performance "extraordinary". The same President who rushed to the WH from his inauguration so he could sign 40+ executive orders aimed at mindlessly destroying his political opponents policies can't suddenly claim he was locked in to Trump's Afghanistan policies.

Worse than Biden’s incompetence leading to the Afghanistan debacle is the willingness of Democrats and their media toadies to simply move on ignoring the hundreds if not thousands of Americans left stranded under Taliban rule and the brutal repression of the Taliban. Bunker Joe literally vacationed while Afghanistan collapsed under the weight of his administration's incompetence but that has no implications for his other policies.
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Now I hear that the White House is upset that the Tallyband is not being
inclusive in their new government. Apparently part of the Biden deal said that these 11th century cave men are required to be "Woke"
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Now I hear that the White House is upset that the Tallyband is not being
inclusive in their new government. Apparently part of the Biden deal said that these 11th century cave men are required to be "Woke"
The Taliban government of Afghanistan has no reason to be woke.


BTW; Four of the leading members of government are the very same men released from GITMO in exchange for PVT Bergdahl under the Obama administration. This is not President Trump's mess. It is Obama's and that of his lamestruck VP Joe Biden.

So I beg to offer resistance to the illegitimate and inaccurate presumption in the title of this thread.
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The Taliban government of Afghanistan has no reason to be woke.


BTW; Four of the leading members of government are the very same men released from GITMO in exchange for PVT Bergdahl under the Obama administration. This is not President Trump's mess. It is Obama's and that of his lamestruck VP Joe Biden.

So I beg to offer resistance to the illegitimate and inaccurate presumption in the title of this thread.
Biden is just taking a page from Obama's playbook. Obama spent 8 years blaming every failure on Bush while at the same time taking credit for anything that went right. Biden is doing the same. It's just that nothing has gone right in the last 8 months.
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The Taliban government of Afghanistan has no reason to be woke.


BTW; Four of the leading members of government are the very same men released from GITMO in exchange for PVT Bergdahl under the Obama administration. This is not President Trump's mess. It is Obama's and that of his lamestruck VP Joe Biden.

So I beg to offer resistance to the illegitimate and inaccurate presumption in the title of this thread.
Who could have foreseen the murderous Taliban thugs would return to their old habits? Obama assured us they wouldn't return to the fight.

Presidents are required to notify Congress 30 days in advance before engaging in this kind of foolishness but laws are for little people when it comes to Obama/Biden. Obama flagrantly broke the law but it was because the US can't leave anyone behind even traitors must be ransomed at huge cost.

Biden attempted to appease the Taliban on a much grander scale offering up not just Afghanistan but a huge cache of weapons, freeing some 5,000 terrorists and abandoning hundreds if not thousands of Americans to become hostages to ransom. As he waved the white flag of unconditional surrender to the brutal Taliban regime he offered up Obama's excuse for bowing deep to the Taliban, no one left behind, even as he admitted 1 in 10 Americans had been abandoned in Afghanistan.
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