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cnredd 06-13-2021 01:39 AM

Democrats claim to care about truth — until it's something they got wrong about Trump
 
I'm surprised NBC News allowed this editorial to go through...especially since they're guilty of it...Maybe they know too many think of them as a joke...:shrug

The first few paragraphs are about the recent Inspector general's report that cleared Trump of tear gas attacks and and clearing out Lafayette Park for a photo-op (never happened), but I'm starting with the "bigger picture"...:wave

Democrats claim to care about truth — until it's something they got wrong about Trump

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...Some of this refusal to accept a more complicated set of facts than cartoon villainy on the part of the Trump administration is simply partisanship, and conservatives are certainly not immune from cherry-picking which facts are too good to check. But liberals cannot claim to be for truth only when they are calling out Trump’s lies. Refusing to acknowledge error in the face of new evidence further debases the truth they purport to hold dear.

Liberals can at least argue that they erred based on the reporting of credible news organizations, which overwhelmingly ran with the story that the park was cleared for a Trump photo-op. But this defense actually compounds the problem: That this was so widely misreported by avowedly nonpartisan publications, which in many cases have high editorial standards, sows distrust in the media and our institutions. It is by now a cliché to say “This is how we got Trump,” but that’s only because this distrust was surely a factor.

The eagerness of much of the media to amplify stories that reflect negatively on Trump has made nearly half the country more skeptical of such reporting. And it is indeed stories. This latest incident is no exception — just last week a similar failure was revealed in the reporting on the possibility that Covid-19 may have originated in a Chinese laboratory.

...From Wuhan to Lafayette Square, Republican-leaning readers and viewers cannot help but notice that cases the media and the left prematurely declare closed have in the Trump era tended to run in one direction only.

The conservative response has not been confined to prudent skepticism about the media in general, of course. It has also bred credulity about alternative news sources with lower standards that make favorable and, in the worst cases, fraudulent claims about Trump. If liberals disapprove of the misinformation bubble that has allowed falsehoods about the 2020 presidential election to fester, they must recognize the role stories like this have played in creating the market for it — and avoid creating a misinformation bubble of their own.

saltwn 06-13-2021 09:13 PM

Re: Democrats claim to care about truth — until it's something they got wrong about T
 
All in all you'll learn more by listening to what you call "liberal" :rolls news

FrancSevin 06-14-2021 03:22 AM

Re: Democrats claim to care about truth — until it's something they got wrong about T
 
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Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 1005009)
All in all you'll learn more by listening to what you call "liberal" :rolls news

The Democrats didn't "get something wrong about Trump...." They just lied.

So did the media.

Why should anyone listen to that?

saltwn 06-14-2021 04:36 AM

Re: Democrats claim to care about truth — until it's something they got wrong about T
 
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Originally Posted by FrancSevin (Post 1005012)
The Democrats didn't "get something wrong about Trump...." They just lied.

So did the media.

Why should anyone listen to that?

You're in a blankety blank cult if you think that guy's reign wasn't the biggest sh*t show since Caligula.

mr wonder 06-14-2021 12:31 PM

Re: Democrats claim to care about truth — until it's something they got wrong about T
 
There are plenty of things the MSM has misreported about Trump but this one is only off by an 8th.
All Anti-trump reports tend to be hyperbolic,
But here some details of the reporting were wrong.
Seems like no tear gas, just "smoke bombs" by police/military troops.

But the overall story still shows the sad actions by Trump.
Earlier, while inside the White House, He'd just made a decent speech which mentioned that peaceful and legal protest were legit.
Then minutes after that shock troo... I mean, police etc go out into a peaceful protest, forcefully break it up, clear the area. (before the unconstitutional curfew BTW)
So Trump could take a photo-op in front of a church.
it was wrong headed and stupid and a needlessly aggressive police action against peaceful protesters. Some of whom were leaders and members of the very church he took a photo in front of.
It was a Class1 BONEHEAD move by Trump and his team.

the fact that the MSM got some details wrong here doesn't really change much of anything.
the fact the MSM rarely admits wrong doing mistakes and outright lies IS a real problem but this is not "exhibit A".
this one is way down the list.

thing like
"RussiaGate BOMBSHELL!"
"Insurrection!"
"No such thing as Vote Problems!"
"PANDEMIC!! Vaccines or Else we'll die! Masks or else well die! Came from Bats! etc"
"Listen to the Science!"
"ASSAD GASSED his own PEOPLE! :eek"
"Banning people, even the U.S. president, from Socail Media is double plus GOOD!"

that's the kind of high level BS, lying and misreporting that's the real problem at this point.

cnredd 06-14-2021 12:53 PM

Re: Democrats claim to care about truth — until it's something they got wrong about T
 
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Originally Posted by mr wonder (Post 1005032)
But the overall story still shows the sad actions by Trump.
Earlier, while inside the White House, He'd just made a decent speech which mentioned that peaceful and legal protest were legit.
Then minutes after that shock troo... I mean, police etc go out into a peaceful protest, forcefully break it up, clear the area. (before the unconstitutional curfew BTW)
So Trump could take a photo-op in front of a church.

See?...The lies continue, even here...

First, it was NOT "peaceful"...Over 40 members of the police force were injured the night before...

Second, the Inspector Report CLEARLY shows that the reason the crowd was cleared was to put up non-scalable fencing to prevent FURTHER damage to the historic church...Nothing to do with any photo-op, and, in fact, the decision to clear the area was made hours BEFORE Trump and/or his staff made the decision to go there...:yes :mad

The Truth Comes Out: Police Didn't Clear Lafayette Park for Trump to Visit St. John's Church

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The historic building had been burned the night before in violent riots that erupted in Washington, D.C.

..."The evidence we reviewed showed that the USPP cleared the park to allow a contractor to safely install antiscale fencing in response to destruction of Federal property and injury to officers that occurred on May 30 and May 31," reads an accompanying letter from Interior Department Inspector General Mark Lee Greenblatt. "Moreover, the evidence established that relevant USPP officials had made those decisions and had begun implementing the operational plan several hours before they knew of a potential Presidential visit to the park, which occurred later that day."

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On the morning of June 1, the Secret Service procured antiscale fencing to establish a more secure perimeter around Lafayette Park that was to be delivered and installed that same day. The USPP, in coordination with the Secret Service, determined that it was necessary to clear protesters from the area in and around the park to enable the contractor’s employees to safely install the fence. The USPP planned to implement the operation as soon as the fencing materials and sufficient law enforcement officers arrived at the park. Six other law enforcement agencies assisted the USPP and the Secret Service in the operation to clear and secure areas near the park.

The operation began at 6:23 p.m. and was completed by 6:50 p.m. Shortly thereafter, at 7:01 p.m., President Trump walked from the White House through Lafayette Park to St. John’s Church. At 7:30 p.m., the contractor began assembling and installing the antiscale fence and completed the work by approximately 12:30 a.m. on June 2.

Trump said, "Let's go to where there were problems last night to show I'm against what happened."...

This is the EXACT SAME DISPLAY as when Congresspersons went to Minneapolis to stand against what happened with George Floyd...And MANY other times leaders go to a "ground zero" location for an instance of something...No difference...:no

mr wonder 06-14-2021 12:58 PM

Re: Democrats claim to care about truth — until it's something they got wrong about T
 
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Originally Posted by cnredd (Post 1005036)
See?...The lies continue, even here...

First, it was NOT "peaceful"...Over 40 members of the police force were injured the night before...

not a lie.
The night before.
not that night... Not photo-op night.

Do you preemptively beat your kids becasue they did something Wrong YESTERDAY and you THINK they'll do it again today?

Since the contractors were going to work at night ANYWAY. why force PEACEFUL people out Earlier than necessary?
sorry Redd
ZERO need for force or Smoke. OR a PHOTO-OP.
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Originally Posted by cnredd (Post 1005036)
Trump said, "Let's go to where there were problems last night to show I'm against what happened."...
This is the EXACT SAME DISPLAY as when Congresspersons went to Minneapolis to stand against what happened with George Floyd...And MANY other times leaders go to a "ground zero" location for an instance of something...No difference...:no

They don't have police in riot gear forcefully CLEARING the spot of people with smoke.
NOT the same thing.

Dog Man 06-14-2021 01:08 PM

Re: Democrats claim to care about truth — until it's something they got wrong about T
 
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Originally Posted by mr wonder (Post 1005037)
not a lie.
The night before.
not that night... Not photo-op night.

do you preemptively beat your kids becasue they did something Wrong YESTERDAY and you THINK they'll do it again today?


Since the contractors were going to work at night ANYWAY. why force PEACEFUL people out Earlier than necessary?
sorry Redd
ZERO need for force or Smoke. OR a PHOTO-OP.

I imagine the same people were there, and they did not want it to happen again. Should we have let them damage or burn down the church? Or hurt more cops?
Would that have been better than forcing them to leave?

If it had been peaceful the night before, I doubt this would be an issue.

If your son dressed up as ANTIFA and went out and broke things the night before, and he was getting dressed up and ready to go out again tonight, would you give him a pass?

GetAClue 06-14-2021 02:53 PM

Re: Democrats claim to care about truth — until it's something they got wrong about T
 
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Originally Posted by mr wonder (Post 1005037)
Since the contractors were going to work at night ANYWAY. why force PEACEFUL people out Earlier than necessary?
sorry Redd
ZERO need for force or Smoke. OR a PHOTO-OP.

You are insinuating that if the police went out and said it is time to leave that these protestors that have shown NOT to be compliant with authority, will just leave when asked. That could not be further from the truth. They were not going to leave until they were forcefully removed.

Protesting is NOT a free pass to do as you please, when and where you please. Those wishing to protest still have to obey the law and comply with those in authority of the area. They don't get to just hang around as long as they like. So they were told to leave, they refused and they got what they asked for.

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Originally Posted by mr wonder (Post 1005037)
They don't have police in riot gear forcefully CLEARING the spot of people with smoke.
NOT the same thing.

This is the same group that injured over 40 officers the night before. Why would the police take any chances the next day? These thugs/protestors have already demonstrated that they have no respect for the rule of law or LEO's. Personally, I would have cleared the area with bulldozers protected by troops with high powered rifles. But that's just me. :D

mr wonder 06-14-2021 03:11 PM

Re: Democrats claim to care about truth — until it's something they got wrong about T
 
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Originally Posted by Dog Man (Post 1005041)
I imagine the same people were there, and they did not want it to happen again. Should we have let them damage or burn down the church? Or hurt more cops?
Would that have been better than forcing them to leave?

If the crowd is peaceful, why stir them up.
Why not reply IN KIND?
From what i saw of the crowd that evening many of them we're trying to make sure everyone remained peaceful. including the leaders of the church on the scene that evening.

No cops were in danger.
Are we saying that they have a right to do whatever they want becasue there MIGHT be danger? Isn't there potential danger in EVERY police encounter?
So force is their 1st resort, JUST IN CASE civilians MIGHT get violent?

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Originally Posted by Dog Man (Post 1005041)
If it had been peaceful the night before, I doubt this would be an issue.

If your son dressed up as ANTIFA and went out and broke things the night before, and he was getting dressed up and ready to go out again tonight, would you give him a pass?

If my son was dressed up as a pastor and was trying to keep his friends and members peaceful I WOULD. If the cops called them Antifa, I'd be pissed.
As far as i can tell they weren't any more ANTIFA in that crowd than there were in the Jan 6 Capitol crowd. that the media called a "INSURRECTION".

At least on Jan 6 they were some violent people. The night of the Photo-Op there was no violence from the protesters that i know of. Should every Trump or Republican rally/protest be busted up with riot police and smoke bombs now because on Jan 6 some cops were hurt? Can't be to careful? Cops can't just wait wait until those so-called peaceful right wingers get violent. God forbid Cops take any risk... at peace... that's to much to ask. Plus Biden might want to take a picture.


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