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It would have to be something without a Mandate. Then the problem becomes how do you pay for it. Most likely some mix of public and private would be my guess.
which is what obama care was. and without a mandate it would ruin private insurance companies. aca was a great plan for private insurers and citizens alike, but because mitch did not want to allow democrats to have a win, he and other repubs blocked every turn.
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re the thread title, rioters are still en mass especially in pennsylvania.
two more arrested for threats or plans to shoot some people concerning election.
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which is what obama care was. and without a mandate it would ruin private insurance companies. aca was a great plan for private insurers and citizens alike, but because mitch did not want to allow democrats to have a win, he and other repubs blocked every turn.
I don't think we're talking about the same thing. I'm talking about the Obamacare individual mandate.

I'm talking about this:

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The individual mandate went into effect at the beginning of January 2014 and continued each year. The penalty for not having coverage was paid on your Federal Income Tax Returns for each full month you, or a family member didnít have health insurance or an exemption and is based on your Modified Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI). Depending on your coverage, income, and family size, you either paid a flat dollar amount or a percentage of income above the tax return filing threshold for your filing status. The fee was capped at the national average for a Bronze health plan available in the marketplace, and it was only paid for full months you or a family member went without coverage.

Although the above applies for 2014 Ė 2018, starting in 2019 the federal government will not charge a fee for not having health coverage. This means that the federal mandate has effectively been repealed at the federal level starting in 2019.
https://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare...idual-mandate/
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I don't think we're talking about the same thing. I'm talking about the Obamacare individual mandate.

I'm talking about this:



https://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare...idual-mandate/
So all you had to do was have insurance. If you couldn't afford it you got a discount or free plan. Covered everything. What was your problem with that?
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yeah you read it and can't dispute it.

Then what plan do you think we should go with, because any real health plan including UH would be cheaper than what we do now which is pay for indigent care including spendy emergency operations through our taxes?
Socialized medical care saves money by rationing. Fewer hospitals, clinics, doctors and other providers cost less. If the "less worthy" die while waiting in line, well they had coverage. Of course the political elites and the oligarchs who chose them will sail through with no waiting.

All the Democrats so-called medical insurance reforms including Obamacare are based on projected reductions to medical providers. None of them have been implemented due to the impact on availability of care. With socialized medicine you pay your taxes and bureaucrats decide what you'll get and how long you need to wait.

Enough with the myth that free medical care will reduce ER usage. New Medicaid recipients in Oregon used the ER more not less. The ER is open 24/7 and with no cost why not.
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So all you had to do was have insurance. If you couldn't afford it you got a discount or free plan. Covered everything. What was your problem with that?
You could say that or you could say this:

"In 2012, "the individual mandate -- most naturally read as a command to purchase insurance"

And this mattered. It financed the project. It mattered when John Roberts flipped on the Republicans in the Supreme Court to say it was a tax.

It matters because ObamaCare was seen the next step to single payer. Without a mandate that doesn't happen.

According to CNN it also matters now that a court of appeal has ruled it unconstitutional " because the individual mandate is no longer tied to a specific tax penalty, the states argue, it is unconstitutional. They also say that because the individual mandate is intertwined with a multitude of ACA provisions, invalidating it should bring down the entire law..."

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What will really happen when Biden Wins

More failed globalist/globalism policies. (TPP... and more)

Rise in FOX News ratings and another drop in CNNs and MSNBCs

-less freedom of speech-
More internet censorship and Banning of Conservatives, Christians and any other Alternative information on all issues.

More "Cancel Culture"

More threats and restrictions on gun ownership.

Bigger deficit.

Biden and Harris will become rich.
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What will really happen when Biden Wins

More failed globalist/globalism policies. (TPP... and more)

Rise in FOX News ratings and another drop in CNNs and MSNBCs

-less freedom of speech-
More internet censorship and Banning of Conservatives, Christians and any other Alternative information on all issues.

More "Cancel Culture"

More threats and restrictions on gun ownership.

Bigger deficit.

Biden and Harris will become rich.
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more people don't get their news from fox or msnbc; they get it from the internet which has a variety of them all plus actual news shows as well as news commentators with their own channel.
the paranoia you speak of is just that- paranoia. we have an old school moderate democrat who has kept up with the times while respecting our constitution and our institutions.
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more people don't get their news from fox or msnbc; they get it from the internet which has a variety of them all plus actual news shows as well as news commentators with their own channel.
the paranoia you speak of is just that- paranoia. we have an old school moderate democrat who has kept up with the times while respecting our constitution and our institutions.
true more people get their news from the internet.
but are you saying you think my comment is paranoia because the internet has NOT been censoring conservatives, christians and other alternative voices?
if so, you haven't kept up with the times on this issue salt.
Also Google, Amazon and other media giants have various contracts with the gov't. some dealing with Intel issues. And the Social Media companies have voluntarily en masse thrown their weight toward electing Biden and silencing voices it's considers "inappropriate".

As far as Biden being an old school moderate who has kept up with the times, Yes , I think you're right, and the times have been leaning towards more censorship and unconstitutional Gov't surveillance. that is LESS respect for the constitution. Obama and Biden rolled back ZERO of the unconstitutional intel overreach of Bush/Chenny. And he supported the unconstitutional "PATRIOT Act" and had even proposed similar legislation after the OKC bombing years earlier. During the Bush Admin he pretended to be against NSA telephone surveillance but during the Obama Admin he had Zero problem with it. Including recording US citizens phone data AND conversations as a matter of standard practice.
Your may need to take a 2nd look at the record. And be honest about what it points to.
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