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Default 5 Big Government, America-Destroying Schemes Democrats are Proposing During COVID-19

While I would not paint every democrat with this wide brush, there is a large segment of Democrats that would fall into this category.

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5 Big Government, America-Destroying Schemes Democrats are Proposing During COVID-19 Crisis

"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste." It's an oft-repeated quote from Democratic politician Rahm Emanuel. It was November of 2008 when Barack Obama had just won the presidential election in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis. People often forget the second part of the former Obama Chief of Staff's famous quote, but it's actually even more telling.

"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste," he told the Wall Street Journal and followed it with, "And what I mean by that, it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before."

As our nation now faces enormous and unprecedented disruptions do to the reactions to public health, Democrats are doing what Democrats do. They are exploiting fear and temporary disruptions to fundamentally transform and ultimately destroy our nation.

Here are just five, America-destroying proposals that we would never seriously consider but are now floated as serious policy proposals during this crisis.

1. Nationalize Industries

New York City mayor and failed, humiliated presidential candidate Bill de Blasio can't keep his own city streets clean, but he thinks it's a good idea for the government to step in and replicate Venezuela.

"This is a case for a nationalization, literally a nationalization, of crucial factories and industries that could produce the medical supplies to prepare this country for what we need," de Blasio told MSNBC's Joy Reid.

While major cities across the country chose to close public schools at the suggestion of the Centers for Disease Control in an effort to slow the spread of the disease, de Blasio dragged his feet for days and refused to do the same in New York. While he fiddled and ignored his own responsibilities as mayor, he instead proposed to have the federal government take over entire segments of the medical supply systems because government ownership and control always make things more efficient, or something.

2. Universal Government Controlled Healthcare

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Sen. Bernie Sanders and liberal intellectuals everywhere seized on the public health crisis to demand universal health care controlled by the federal government. Setting aside the fact that the Left demands this if a person gets a splinter, let alone a worldwide pandemic, the demand for government-run health care in the face of COVID-19 makes no sense at all.

The virus began in China and spread there like wildfire. China has government-controlled medical services and it was miserably inept in controlling the virus. Ditto the other major hot spot in the world, Italy. In fact, left-wing organizations consistently rank Italy as one of the best government-run health care systems in the world, several positions higher than the United States, and by all accounts, Italy was caught flat-footed and entirely overwhelmed by COVID-19.

So, naturally, Democrats want to replicate their stellar system here. The fact is, the solution to COVID-19 will most likely come from the private sector and the incredible private health care industry still supported and encouraged here in the last relatively free-market economy left on the planet. As long as Democrats aren't allowed to destroy it.

3. Gun Ban

Not one instance of COVID-19 had appeared in Champaign, IL, but that didn't stop Mayor Deborah Frank Feinen from declaring a coronavirus emergency allowing her to ban the sale of guns. The executive order gave the mayor tons of other extra-constitutional powers but the gun ban got a ton of attention.

It's ironic considering that one thing many Americans are thankful for as basic needs in our society become rationed and stretched thin is our ability to protect ourselves, our property and our families.

Even in liberal Los Angeles, CA, we saw lines out the door and around the block at the few gun stores that still exist in that state's already-restrictive anti-gun atmosphere.

4. Empty Prisons

Democratic Rep. Ayanna Pressley told MSNBC's Al Sharpton that she was advocating for a blanket commutation of sentences to release prisoners from incarceration in light of the COVID-19 dilemma.

"This pandemic, COVID-19, has certainly highlighted and exasperated every socio, ratio, and political fault line in our country. And I'm just advocating to make sure that when we are talking about those that are most vulnerable, our low-income residents and citizens, those experiencing homelessness, our seniors, that we are also including the incarcerated men and women, who are certainly amongst one of the most vulnerable populations. And given the crowding and overpopulating in our prisons for a confluence of other reasons ... are an ecosystem in a petri dish for the spreading of this pandemic, which is why I partnered with my colleagues, Reps. Velasquez, Ocasio-Cortez, and Tlaib, to lobby the Bureau of Prisons to use their full power and to communicate guidance for how we will contain and mitigate this epidemic behind the wall," she said.

Rep. Pressley didn't exactly explain how convicted criminals would be safer from the virus when released to roam America's streets rather than the forced "social distancing" they are currently experiencing in their cells. Even more importantly, she didn't explain how the law-abiding innocent Americans would be safer with criminals prematurely released.

5. Cease Arresting and Convicting Criminals

Philadelphia District Attorney Larry Krasner used concern over the spread of COVID-19 to announce an enormous reduction in arrests for what he called "low-level, non-violent crimes."

"We want to make sure the police are safe and don't have prolonged contact with people that have the virus," he said. "Taking one person back to the police station risks everyone at the station. They go into custody, they endanger other inmates in that great cruise ship that is a jail. And then they go to court."

So, let's add up all of these initiatives so we can properly evaluate what Democrats would do if they had complete control over our country during this crisis.

They'd release prisoners, ignore crime, ban private ownership of guns, seize control of private industries and take over the medical industry. In other words, they'd pretty much enact all of Sen. Bernie Sanders' proposals. Let's face it though, despite Sanders' robust socialist inclinations, the Democrats' platform has inched closer toward these proposals every year over the past several decades.

This crisis just allows them to show their true colors under the guise of "emergency." This is who they are and this is what they truly want to do... COVID-19 is just the latest crisis that these Democrats don't want to waste.

Be warned.
https://townhall.com/columnists/larr...recip=20684376
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I'm wondering if some of these supposedly well educated politicians have ever paid attention to what criminals do when they are released into the public without having been screened first.

Let's direct them to the politicians neighborhood. We will see how fast they change their minds regarding guns for protection.
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I'm wondering if some of these supposedly well educated politicians have ever paid attention to what criminals do when they are released into the public without having been screened first.

Let's direct them to the politicians neighborhood. We will see how fast they change their minds regarding guns for protection.


The dumb ones (over 90 percent of them) won't be moved. They will get more armed security, and still insist the general public is overreacting, and still insist more firearms banned will mean less criminals acquiring them. May the baboons suffer instant karma.

Rebuttals from the snowflake/peanut gallery will be entertained for a short period.
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While I would not paint every democrat with this wide brush, there is a large segment of Democrats that would fall into this category.



https://townhall.com/columnists/larr...recip=20684376
on the first two:

#1. there is a law in place to force a business to manufacture products for a national emergency. put in in the 50s under a republican president. so this part of the op is scary propaganda

#2. Germany sent out over a million tests in January. we could have ordered some or more. instead, our leader chose to wait until stateside companies invented their own test. the "glich" you heard about when the head doc was asked about it. he didn't want to throw trump under the bus.
so now that we are testing we see triple what was reported---SO FAR.
everyone in at risk category should be tested to protect everybody else. they're not; hopefully one of the bills addresses that.
this is so far a propaganda piece put out at the behest of big pharma and our other oligarchical government directors.
haven't read the other points yet but calm down and read history.
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While I would not paint every democrat with this wide brush, there is a large segment of Democrats that would fall into this category.



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on the first two:

#1. there is a law in place to force a business to manufacture products for a national emergency. put in in the 50s under a republican president. so this part of the op is scary propaganda

#2. Germany sent out over a million tests in January. we could have ordered some or more. instead, our leader chose to wait until stateside companies invented their own test. the "glich" you heard about when the head doc was asked about it. he didn't want to throw trump under the bus.
so now that we are testing we see triple what was reported---SO FAR.
everyone in at risk category should be tested to protect everybody else. they're not; hopefully one of the bills addresses that.
this is so far a propaganda piece put out at the behest of big pharma and our other oligarchical government directors.
haven't read the other points yet but calm down and read history.
meanwhile, rand paul tried to insert an unrelated amendment to funds on the afghan war. while I am against war I like most of the bipartisan congress believe such an issue needs debate and further explanation. he ended up delaying the bipartisan bill. that's what you should be worried about re 'slipping' something in.
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ffs what is this nonsense. don't you maga morons ever actually research anything before you post your bull**** propaganda? or is that the point, just muddy the waters with lies as usual.

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ffs what is this nonsense. don't you maga morons ever actually research anything before you post your bull**** propaganda? or is that the point, just muddy the waters with lies as usual.

I wonder that all the time.
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#1. there is a law in place to force a business to manufacture products for a national emergency. put in in the 50s under a republican president. so this part of the op is scary propaganda
The law you are referring to is the Defense Production Act that gives the government the ability to steer production in the private sector to overcome shortages in equipment necessary to combat the "wartime" opponent. As we are at "war" with a virus, this would give the government the authority to have companies like 3M to produce more masks for use in the medical sector.

This is a far cry from what de Blasio was suggesting. Nationalizing manufacturing companies means that the government takes them over and runs them. That is NOT what happened during WWII.


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#2. Germany sent out over a million tests in January. we could have ordered some or more. instead, our leader chose to wait until stateside companies invented their own test. the "glich" you heard about when the head doc was asked about it. he didn't want to throw trump under the bus.
You seem to be under the impression that EVERYONE working in the Federal Government, shows up at the Oval office everyday waiting for Trump to give them marching orders.

The CDC and the FDA dropped the ball on this one. This is what happens when you have a Federal Government of the size we do.

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According to the sources, the problem began with the United States' process for developing a diagnostic test.

While China, Germany, and several other countries also opted to develop their own testing kits for the new coronavirus, the turnaround time was longer in the United States.

In the United States, CDC and FDA, working closely with HHS officials, take the lead on developing new diagnostic tests to ensure tests are accurate and reliable. But, according to the Post, the federal officials' messaging and approach discouraged hospitals from developing and using their own in-house testing kits because they would need to obtain FDA's permission to use them. That meant screening needed to be "rationed," former FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb explained in a tweet dated Feb. 2.

The next problem came in the initial batch of tests. On Feb. 6 and 7, CDC shipped testing kits to public health labs, but the labs soon reported issues with the diagnostics, which further limited screening. On Feb. 12, CDC announced some of the tests provided labs with inconclusive results. The problem, which involved an ingredient in the test kit, had further slowed the United States' ability to test and confirm COVID-19 diagnoses, requiring most of the testing to be conducted at CDC's headquarters in Atlanta.

A federal official, who spoke with the Post on the condition of anonymity, said the issue could have stemmed from contamination in the CDC lab where the tests had been developed or design flaw.

Once CDC became aware of the issue, the agency decided to fix the diagnostic test instead of switching to the diagnostic tests being used by other countries—a move that drew criticism from experts. However, CDC said applying for an FDA authorization to use tests from other countries and then validating and manufacturing the test would have taken the agency longer than fixing the issues with the agency's already validated tests.
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so now that we are testing we see triple what was reported---SO FAR.
everyone in at risk category should be tested to protect everybody else. they're not; hopefully one of the bills addresses that.
this is so far a propaganda piece put out at the behest of big pharma and our other oligarchical government directors.
haven't read the other points yet but calm down and read history.
When vaccines are found they will come from the entity that you seem to want to denigrate, Big Pharma. The Private Sector will be the ones that develop any medical solutions to our problems. Thank God for them.
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meanwhile, rand paul tried to insert an unrelated amendment to funds on the afghan war. while I am against war I like most of the bipartisan congress believe such an issue needs debate and further explanation. he ended up delaying the bipartisan bill. that's what you should be worried about re 'slipping' something in.
Perhaps you could provide us with links to your accusation. However based on your posting history, I won't hold my breath.
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ffs what is this nonsense. don't you maga morons ever actually research anything before you post your bull**** propaganda? or is that the point, just muddy the waters with lies as usual.

And yet again, you resort to name calling and vulgar language in place of any reasoned arguments and them claim that those of us that differ in opinion are "maga morons". Thank you for providing evidence of your intellectual capacity.
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