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Old 04-13-2020, 08:56 AM
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It's not Big Brother... it's for you're safety.



And umm it took .. what... like 6 guys to take him off the bus?
I'm just thinking, it'd only take maybe 1 cop to GIVE him a mask.
But hey, I guess I'm just thinking crazy.
Oh okay, the cops are supposed to carry a supply of masks in case someone decides the law doesn't apply to them? Of course the police have a magic supply of masks to pass out to spoiled children who decide they want to defy the law.

I was surprised the officers didn't arrest the miscreant after he failed to obey a lawful order. But even this show of restraint is criticized as excessive force.
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Old 04-13-2020, 11:49 AM
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Oh okay, the cops are supposed to carry a supply of masks in case someone decides the law doesn't apply to them? Of course the police have a magic supply of masks to pass out to spoiled children who decide they want to defy the law.

I was surprised the officers didn't arrest the miscreant after he failed to obey a lawful order. But even this show of restraint is criticized as excessive force.
you know AZ, you're right they should have shot him dead and left him on the side of the road as warning to other terrible law breakers. HOW DARE HE not have a mask.... Even if as you say... the cops didn't have any extras!
I don't know why they took it so easy on him. Why I'm sure public execution is to good for him... breaking the law... disrespecting a days old arbitrary public order. how dare he?!?!

sheesh man.
seriously.
It looked like to me everyone one of the 6 to 9 cops had mask on, but no one had a spare? . Would have it "defied the law to give one to the guy?
Where there hundreds of people trying to get on and stay on the Bus without them?

Bottom line,
It's the difference between being Sheriff Andy Griffith and deputy barney Fife style policing.
Too many cops and other folks seem to like Barney Fife style policing. Letter of the law.

Is the point for people NOT to ride the bus? or to wear mask on the bus? if the point is to wear mask and you've got a FEW you can give to those who don't have them .. boom... problem solved. no fuss no muss. peaceful city. happy people happy cops. Why waste 6+ cops time and fill the jails and courts with BS "offensives" costing the city time and cash? it's makes no sense.


As far as "Defying the law" is concerned. Is it even a law? Is "the law" even constitutional?
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you know AZ, you're right they should have shot him dead and left him on the side of the road as warning to other terrible law breakers. HOW DARE HE not have a mask.... Even if as you say... the cops didn't have any extras!
I don't know why they took it so easy on him. Why I'm sure public execution is to good for him... breaking the law... disrespecting a days old arbitrary public order. how dare he?!?!

sheesh man.
seriously.
It looked like to me everyone one of the 6 to 9 cops had mask on, but no one had a spare? . Would have it "defied the law to give one to the guy?
Where there hundreds of people trying to get on and stay on the Bus without them?

Bottom line,
It's the difference between being Sheriff Andy Griffith and deputy barney Fife style policing.
Too many cops and other folks seem to like Barney Fife style policing. Letter of the law.

Is the point for people NOT to ride the bus? or to wear mask on the bus? if the point is to wear mask and you've got a FEW you can give to those who don't have them .. boom... problem solved. no fuss no muss. peaceful city. happy people happy cops. Why waste 6+ cops time and fill the jails and courts with BS "offensives" costing the city time and cash? it's makes no sense.


As far as "Defying the law" is concerned. Is it even a law? Is "the law" even constitutional?
Wow, talk about histrionics. Shoot the guy? They didn't even arrest him. He could have peacefully exited the bus when so ordered. It was his choice to force the police to remove him.

Waa, the poor victim has a Constitutional right to cough and sneeze on the other passengers in the confined space of the bus during a pandemic. Where is the concern for the people who rely on public transportation? Never mind, attack the police regardless of the circumstances.

So, the police give this person a mask, assuming they even had a spare. What about the next 2 people who decide they don't need to cooperate to combat the pandemic? Or, the next 200? Or, the next 2,000? But hey, the police have an endless supply of masks to pass out to anyone who decides they don't need to get their own.

Give one person a mask then the police are obligated to provide masks for everyone or is it only certain people that get masks? What happens when someone just refuses to put on their gift mask? Are the cruel police obligated to look the other way?
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Waa, the poor victim has a Constitutional right to cough and sneeze on the other passengers in the confined space of the bus during a pandemic. Where is the concern for the people who rely on public transportation?
constitutional right to travel sure. Cough and sneeze on? was he coughing? not once that i saw. seemed pretty healthy strapping guy.
that guy seemed to rely on it as well.
Coughers and sneezers at this point could be charged with assult seems to me.

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Never mind, attack the police regardless of the circumstances.
I'm not attacking police, I'm just making a suggestion of a BETTER way to handle that ONE situation.



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So, the police give this person a mask, assuming they even had a spare.
Yes great end of Story.


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What about the next 2 people who decide they don't need to cooperate to combat the pandemic? Or, the next 200? Or, the next 2,000? But hey, the police have an endless supply of masks to pass out to anyone who decides they don't need to get their own.
Most people do comply with police request. I suspect you won't have that many... hard core scoff laws... Unless... as i mentioned... the NEW rule was arbitrarily tossed out and the passengers have No knowledge of, no time or no means to comply with the new rule. Since, as we know, Mask are in short supply anyway. and 1st responders are getting access 1st by rightful priority.

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Give one person a mask then the police are obligated to provide masks for everyone...
Uh, No, Are traffic cops who give one person a warning obligated to give EVERYONE a warning?
no.


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What happens when someone just refuses to put on their gift mask? Are the cruel police obligated to look the other way?
If they refuse the mask then they are just being creeps and should be removed from the bus.
the cops have gone the extra mile trying to resolve the issue and always had (if the law , edict, rule is constitutional... which is still in question) the authority to remove the guy.
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constitutional right to travel sure. Cough and sneeze on? was he coughing? not once that i saw. seemed pretty healthy strapping guy.
that guy seemed to rely on it as well.
Coughers and sneezers at this point could be charged with assult seems to me.


I'm not attacking police, I'm just making a suggestion of a BETTER way to handle that ONE situation.




Yes great end of Story.



Most people do comply with police request. I suspect you won't have that many... hard core scoff laws... Unless... as i mentioned... the NEW rule was arbitrarily tossed out and the passengers have No knowledge of, no time or no means to comply with the new rule. Since, as we know, Mask are in short supply anyway. and 1st responders are getting access 1st by rightful priority.


Uh, No, Are traffic cops who give one person a warning obligated to give EVERYONE a warning?
no.



If they refuse the mask then they are just being creeps and should be removed from the bus.
the cops have gone the extra mile trying to resolve the issue and always had (if the law , edict, rule is constitutional... which is still in question) the authority to remove the guy.
Please explain the magical process whereby coughs and sneezes can be predicted. Having commuted on the bus and train it's a few minutes between stops during which time it's impossible to maintain social distancing.

Masks, including a simple bandana, significantly reduce airborne droplets from coughing and sneezing. There is no evidence of the police removing people for having inadequate masks. The criteria is mask or no mask.

There is no evidence of other people failing to wear masks. If you have evidence of the rule being arbitrarily tossed out, please present it.

Again, the police exercised restraint in handling the person. They warned the individual and requested they exit the bus, the person declined. There was plenty of justification for arresting the individual but they left him standing on the sidewalk, unharmed.
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