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Old 03-19-2020, 10:12 AM
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meanwhile, rand paul tried to insert an unrelated amendment to funds on the afghan war. while I am against war I like most of the bipartisan congress believe such an issue needs debate and further explanation. he ended up delaying the bipartisan bill. that's what you should be worried about re 'slipping' something in.
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"...Paul’s amendment, which garnered only three votes, aimed to end fraudulent child tax credit claims by requiring a Social Security number. Paul’s amendment would have provided Trump the authority to transfer existing federal funding to pay for coronavirus funding, and it would have ended U.S. military involvement in Afghanistan by the end of the year.
“I ask my colleagues to stop wasting money in this time of crisis,” Paul urged lawmakers in a Senate floor speech before the vote. “Do your jobs and prioritize our precious resources. It is our job and our responsibility to conserve the resources.”...
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...ronavirus-bill
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ffs what is this nonsense. don't you maga morons ever actually research anything before you post your bull**** propaganda? or is that the point, just muddy the waters with lies as usual.

could you be specific?
which one of the 5 are false? if false how exactly?
#1."This is a case for a nationalization, literally a nationalization, of crucial factories and industries that could produce the medical supplies to prepare this country for what we need," de Blasio told MSNBC's Joy Reid.

#2.Rep. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Sen. Bernie Sanders and liberal intellectuals everywhere seized on the public health crisis to demand universal health care controlled by the federal government.

#3 Champaign, IL, but that didn't stop Mayor Deborah Frank Feinen from declaring a coronavirus emergency allowing her to ban the sale of guns.
(seems the mayor walked that one back a bit.)

#4 Democratic Rep. Ayanna Pressley told MSNBC's Al Sharpton that she was advocating for a blanket commutation of sentences to release prisoners from incarceration in light of the COVID-19 dilemma....

(that does seem a bit over stated and over hyped but not completely untrue
what she's said is)
She called for “compassionate leave for elders who pose no threat to the public and who are at risk for COVID-19.”
And she said the pandemic could also be an opportunity to explore “commuting sentences and clemency because the majority of people who are incarcerated are really there for non-violent offenses.”


#5 Philadelphia District Attorney Larry Krasner used concern over the spread of COVID-19 to announce an enormous reduction in arrests for what he called "low-level, non-violent crimes."

I'm not seeing much BS propaganda here.
There is a bit of fearing mongering those on the right who think that every trespasser and weed-smoker is wicked criminal who needs to stay locked up.
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could you be specific?
which one of the 5 are false? if false how exactly?
#1."This is a case for a nationalization, literally a nationalization, of crucial factories and industries that could produce the medical supplies to prepare this country for what we need," de Blasio told MSNBC's Joy Reid.

#2.Rep. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Sen. Bernie Sanders and liberal intellectuals everywhere seized on the public health crisis to demand universal health care controlled by the federal government.

#3 Champaign, IL, but that didn't stop Mayor Deborah Frank Feinen from declaring a coronavirus emergency allowing her to ban the sale of guns.
(seems the mayor walked that one back a bit.)

#4 Democratic Rep. Ayanna Pressley told MSNBC's Al Sharpton that she was advocating for a blanket commutation of sentences to release prisoners from incarceration in light of the COVID-19 dilemma....

(that does seem a bit over stated and over hyped but not completely untrue
what she's said is)
She called for “compassionate leave for elders who pose no threat to the public and who are at risk for COVID-19.”
And she said the pandemic could also be an opportunity to explore “commuting sentences and clemency because the majority of people who are incarcerated are really there for non-violent offenses.”


#5 Philadelphia District Attorney Larry Krasner used concern over the spread of COVID-19 to announce an enormous reduction in arrests for what he called "low-level, non-violent crimes."

I'm not seeing much BS propaganda here.
There is a bit of fearing mongering those on the right who think that every trespasser and weed-smoker is wicked criminal who needs to stay locked up.
Redstate didn't show up for debate; he is here to do what he always does, TROLL!
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The law you are referring to is the Defense Production Act that gives the government the ability to steer production in the private sector to overcome shortages in equipment necessary to combat the "wartime" opponent. As we are at "war" with a virus, this would give the government the authority to have companies like 3M to produce more masks for use in the medical sector.

This is a far cry from what de Blasio was suggesting. Nationalizing manufacturing companies means that the government takes them over and runs them. That is NOT what happened during WWII.



You seem to be under the impression that EVERYONE working in the Federal Government, shows up at the Oval office everyday waiting for Trump to give them marching orders.

The CDC and the FDA dropped the ball on this one. This is what happens when you have a Federal Government of the size we do.


https://www.advisory.com/daily-brief...testing-errors



When vaccines are found they will come from the entity that you seem to want to denigrate, Big Pharma. The Private Sector will be the ones that develop any medical solutions to our problems. Thank God for them.
link to de Blasio's call for nationalizing private industry?

as for the rest of it, there were protocols in place to quickly fight such a pandemic. trump dissolved them. also money to work toward an unknown disease. trump cut it even against the best advice.
he also appointed his own gurus over departments and hampered others.
do you not think these dept heads are aware of his firing people who were right just because he has a wild hair about the subject?
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could you be specific?
which one of the 5 are false? if false how exactly?
#1."This is a case for a nationalization, literally a nationalization, of crucial factories and industries that could produce the medical supplies to prepare this country for what we need," de Blasio told MSNBC's Joy Reid.

#2.Rep. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Sen. Bernie Sanders and liberal intellectuals everywhere seized on the public health crisis to demand universal health care controlled by the federal government.

#3 Champaign, IL, but that didn't stop Mayor Deborah Frank Feinen from declaring a coronavirus emergency allowing her to ban the sale of guns.
(seems the mayor walked that one back a bit.)

#4 Democratic Rep. Ayanna Pressley told MSNBC's Al Sharpton that she was advocating for a blanket commutation of sentences to release prisoners from incarceration in light of the COVID-19 dilemma....

(that does seem a bit over stated and over hyped but not completely untrue
what she's said is)
She called for “compassionate leave for elders who pose no threat to the public and who are at risk for COVID-19.”
And she said the pandemic could also be an opportunity to explore “commuting sentences and clemency because the majority of people who are incarcerated are really there for non-violent offenses.”


#5 Philadelphia District Attorney Larry Krasner used concern over the spread of COVID-19 to announce an enormous reduction in arrests for what he called "low-level, non-violent crimes."

I'm not seeing much BS propaganda here.
There is a bit of fearing mongering those on the right who think that every trespasser and weed-smoker is wicked criminal who needs to stay locked up.
What does all that bullshlt above have to do with fighting the corona virus?
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What does all that bullshlt above have to do with fighting the corona virus?
HA
Mostly tangential at best.
Making corona virus a side door for agendas already on their plates.

Politicians man, opportunistic ... um... people.
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link to de Blasio's call for nationalizing private industry?
I see your Google finger is broke again. But I will help you out this time.

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De Blasio says federal government should take ownership of 'crucial factories and industries' to combat coronavirus

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio advocated for nationalizing certain industries to combat the spread of the novel coronavirus.

While appearing on MSNBC's AM Joy, host Joy Reid asked de Blasio how someone in New York City should go about getting tested during the growing COVID-19 pandemic.

"People can get tested according to a priority structure, and it's not enough testing. It's just as simple as that," de Blasio said, later claiming that the city has been "pleading" with the federal government for additional testing. "Here's the reality. This is a war-like situation. We're in a wartime scenario with a 'Mar-a-Lago attitude' being used by the federal government, right?"

And after de Blasio blamed the shortcomings of the federal government for the decreased supply of testing kits and ventilators, he called for the federal government to nationalize "crucial factories and industries."

"This is a case for a nationalization, literally a nationalization, of crucial factories and industries that could produce the medical supplies to prepare this country for what we need."

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...at-coronavirus

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as for the rest of it, there were protocols in place to quickly fight such a pandemic. trump dissolved them. also money to work toward an unknown disease. trump cut it even against the best advice.
he also appointed his own gurus over departments and hampered others.
do you not think these dept heads are aware of his firing people who were right just because he has a wild hair about the subject?
And back at you. What protocols were in place that Trump dissolved? And please provide links to your source.
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I see your Google finger is broke again. But I will help you out this time.

I can see de blasio saying that. but there was no need. there are already precedents. yes we fight the virus just like a war but we cud do the same with any other disaster. trump has enlisted FEMA that is usually used for storms.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...at-coronavirus


And back at you. What protocols were in place that Trump dissolved? And please provide links to your source.
https://www.google.com/search?newwin...c_lCpsQ4dUDCAs

Too many to just pick one example. read at ur leisure.
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https://www.google.com/search?newwin...c_lCpsQ4dUDCAs

Too many to just pick one example. read at ur leisure.
Thanks for sending me a google link instead of explaining what you were talking about. However, if you bother to actually look at what Trump did or didn't do, you will find that the MSM mischaracterized what actually happened.

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Fact Check: WH Dissolved Pandemic Unit but Did Not ‘Fire the Entire White House Pandemic Team’

CLAIM: President Donald Trump “fired the entire White House pandemic team.”

VERDICT: Partly false. Former National Security Advisor John Bolton “dissolved” the pandemic office but staff remained to deal with the issue.

Last month, Democrats tried a new way of blaming Trump for the coronavirus outbreak. Former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg claimed during the Democrat debate in South Carolina that Trump “fired the pandemic specialist in this country two years ago, so there’s nobody here to figure out what the hell we should be doing. [Applause] And he’s defunded Centers for Disease Control, CDC so we don’t have the organization we need.”

Breitbart News rated that “Mostly False.” We noted:
In reality, the pandemic expert — Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer — left the National Security Council (NSC) voluntarily after then-National Security Advisor John Bolton was appointed.

Bolton disbanded the unit that Ziemer was supervising as part of an effort to downsize the bloated NSC staff…

The Trump administration has indeed proposed cuts to the CDC, but they have not been passed by Congress.
Moreover, some of the experts who had been part of the office remained on staff at the National Security Council.

Earlier this week, Democrats asked Dr. Anthony Fauci, a member of the president’s coronavirus team who leads the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the National Institutes of Health, about the decision to cut the White House’s National Security Council Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense. He was asked whether it had been a “mistake.”

Fauci said no, but added that it would also have been “nice” to have it around.

“I wouldn’t necessarily characterize it as a mistake. I would say we worked very well with that office. It would be nice if the office was still there,” he said.


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Media are leaving out the first sentence. "I wouldn't necessarily characterize it as a mistake. I would say we worked very well with that office. It would be nice if the office was still there."
The media largely ignored the first sentence and focused on the second.

On Friday, the former head of the pandemic office, Beth Cameron, wrote a lengthy op-ed in the Washington Post complaining about the decision to “dissolve” her unit.

She admitted she did not know “whether the decision to disband the directorate, which was made in May 2018, after John Bolton became national security adviser, was a tactical move to downgrade the issue or whether it was part of the White House’s interest in simplifying and shrinking the National Security Council staff.”

But she argued the decision created “unclear structure and strategy for coordinating pandemic preparedness and response.”

Still, she did not claim all the experts had been fired.

Also on Friday, a journalist at President Donald Trump’s press conference on coronavirus in the Rose Garden at the White House asked the president about the decision to cut the office. Trump said he did not know about it — which he may not have, since it was a decision made by Bolton.

Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) took to Twitter to accuse the president of lying, and added that Trump had “fired the entire White House pandemic team.”
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Not true, @realDonaldTrump. I wrote to you more than 600 days ago demanding answers after you fired the entire White House pandemic team.

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: Why did you shut down the pandemic office in the White House

Trump first calls it a "nasty question." Then says someone else shut it down. "I don't know anything about it."
After his tweet was retweeted by a New York Times reporter, several former NSC officials began to push back.

Former senior NSC official Tim Morrison — who testified in the impeachment hearings — called Sen. Brown’s claim “total garbage”:
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Total garbage. I ran this team for a year and we worked on NSPM 14
Former NCS official Richard Goldberg noted that the staff in question were still at the White House:
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Weird. A year later I was inside the NSC working with talented global health/biodefense professionals who coordinated an incredibly effective response to Ebola. They’re still there. Working hard.
Ultimately, the argument is about whether the office should have been kept as a separate unit, or whether its functions could be done just as well by employees working in other parts of the organizational structure.

Fauci, who is a rare case of an expert whose opinion is valued by both sides, said it was not a “mistake” to cut the office but that it would be “nice” if it were still there. He may agree with the criticism — but only up to a point.

At some point it is worth questioning whether now is the best time for Democrats to be looking for a way to blame the president, or a way to help him — after wasting weeks on impeachment while he was tackling coronavirus.
https://www.breitbart.com/health/202...pandemic-team/
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What does all that bullshlt above have to do with fighting the corona virus?
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