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Default Let's Stop Calling Every S--tposter a Russian Troll

Not calling ot any particular person... coughSaltcough... c'mon
But even people on the left ON LEFT leaning websites are trying to reign in the BSery of their comrades on this.
(it is amazing that that left used to LOVE Russia.. but now sheesh they gone further than McCarthy and red baiters did.)

From the DAILY KOS website

Let's Stop Calling Every S--tposter a Russian Troll
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...-Russian-Troll




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DKos is a great community and an essential political resource. But, like everything else, it is not perfect. Many of these imperfections are things we have to live with: ... but there is one imperfection I would really like to disappear because I fear it is harming DKos’ influence in the wider political sphere. I deeply wish that people would get out of the habit of calling people Russian trolls or bots. At its worst this practice is a lazy response to something someone disagrees with, but even when directed at obvious troublemakers it is counterproductive. And it is beginning to make us a laughingstock.

I don’t deny the strong probability that there have been incidents of actual trolling by actual Russians. It’s quite obvious when a post starts out with something like “Hello, I am actual American who is liking American football and also free speeches” that the poster ain’t from around here. But that sort of thing doesn’t happen very often. In fact it hardly happens at all since the elections.

But if someone decides to troll us with some rightwing screed or a deliberately divisive post, one of the first replies is always “how’s the weather in Moscow?” or some variant. Worse, if someone posts an opinion that “Bernie would have won” or that “Hillary ran an incompetent campaign”, someone is sure to yell “Russian troll!” instead of one of the proper responses—ignore them, explain why they are wrong, or just point and laugh.

All of this screeching about phantom Russians is beginning to be noticed by people outside our bubble. This was first brought to my attention during a conversation with a Democratic activist who lives nearby. I happened to mention that I occasionally posted diaries on Daily Kos, and she laughed and said “isn’t that where everybody sees Russians everywhere?” I have since seen online comments along the lines of “they’ve got bots on the brain,” and saw the meme I used here on a Facebook post which included the question “How is Daily Kos still a thing?” In a Republican online forum discussion about the influence DKos has on electoral politics, one participant said “I wouldn’t worry about them, they’re too scared of imaginary Russian bots.”....
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It's ridiculous.
It's sad that so many on the left have abandoned reality on this issue (as well as others) and Just automatiactically ASSUME that Russia and Putin have some HUGE definitive specific negative influence on U.S. political life.


PUTIN and RUSSIA are the left's go to political bogyman.
They have the power of and in fact are like a literal replacement for Satan.

Satan effected the news, Satan effected the election, Satan controls Trump, Satan influences all the MAGA Republicans so they can't think with all His Satanic demon(bots) that infect everything. Satan has troops in other countries where we used to be! and we have to stop him don't you see?

It's bizarre.
Russia just ain't all that. And ... we are not at war with them ... not even really a cold war... maybe a cool stand-offishness but sheesh. the lefts Russia hype is WAAAAY out of proportion with reality. Making Russia/Putin out to be an hellish omnipresent bogyman It doesn't help our country at all. It makes no sense to me.
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Sad thing is Based on the replies in the articles comments I don't think some folk got the message.

here are a couple of the most striking
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If some blatant piece of propaganda (usually on Facebook not here) is indistinguishable from Russian intelligence product itís not my job to sort it out. Calling such trash Un-American, divisive or possibly Russian propaganda has worked for me on social media. Very often the person in question is not an actual ruskie, but instead mindlessly re-posted something they picked up at the gun rights or He-Man-Woman_Haters_Club site. When they object as to their all American bona fides, I point out that the Russians continue to invest major resources in such divisive crap and by spreading it you risk that association. Hatred, divisiveness, racism and contempt for our institutions are not American values and itís fun to claim the patriotic high ground and question theirs for a change.
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May 02, 2018 at 09:56:49 AM

Calling the comment Russian propaganda, especially if youíre willing to give cites, is totally reasonable, and even laudable. As long as you make a clear distinction between the comment and the commenter, go for it. (Hard to do, sometimes.)
Sheesh
"indistinguishable from Russian intelligence product"
"...gun-rights, He-Man-Woman_Hatred, divisiveness, racism and contempt for our institutions..."

That's Russian inelegence product?
"divisiveness"
So anything he(she) doesn't like = "indistinguishable from Russian intelligence product"
therefore Unworthy of debate of consideration and basically treasonously unpatriotic.


"and itís fun to claim the patriotic high ground and question theirs for a change."


McCarthy 2.0
All the same old Russia Hate and blind accusations but now you can keep socialism and disarm citizens and call it patriotism!
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Default Re: Let's Stop Calling Every S--tposter a Russian Troll

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Not calling ot any particular person... coughSaltcough... c'mon
But even people on the left ON LEFT leaning websites are trying to reign in the BSery of their comrades on this.
(it is amazing that that left used to LOVE Russia.. but now sheesh they gone further than McCarthy and red baiters did.)

From the DAILY KOS website

Let's Stop Calling Every S--tposter a Russian Troll
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...-Russian-Troll

https://images.dailykos.com/images/537359/story_image/ohub9q.jpg?1525070346[/IMG]





https://s14-eu5.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https:%2F%2Fmedia.makeameme.org%2Fc reated%2Frussian-bots-russian.jpg&sp=93f52430075b6ed4e8245d436bd9d44c[/IMG]


It's ridiculous.
It's sad that so many on the left have abandoned reality on this issue (as well as others) and Just automatiactically ASSUME that Russia and Putin have some HUGE definitive specific negative influence on U.S. political life.


PUTIN and RUSSIA are the left's go to political bogyman.
They have the power of and in fact are like a literal replacement for Satan.

Satan effected the news, Satan effected the election, Satan controls Trump, Satan influences all the MAGA Republicans so they can't think with all His Satanic demon(bots) that infect everything. Satan has troops in other countries where we used to be! and we have to stop him don't you see?

It's bizarre.
Russia just ain't all that. And ... we are not at war with them ... not even really a cold war... maybe a cool stand-offishness but sheesh. the lefts Russia hype is WAAAAY out of proportion with reality. Making Russia/Putin out to be an hellish omnipresent bogyman It doesn't help our country at all. It makes no sense to me.
I never loved Russia except when Gorbachev was the leader.
Putin is a dictator. Russia is our enemy and means to do us harm.

I call em as I see em.
comet came on here scoping the place out pretending to be a centrist lefty. then he went away and came back as hairy jello a disturbing baiter and chaos spreader.
cindy b does nothing but post hyper-paranoid bull swit.
yes they could easily be paid trolls based anywhere and routed through several IP addresses.
Coupled with the already rampant propaganda of tv and the web, they're continued presence is simultaneous with a change in the atmosphere around here.
nobody posts like that who is serious about debate and discussion.
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I never loved Russia except when Gorbachev was the leader.
Putin is a dictator. Russia is our enemy and means to do us harm.

I call em as I see em.
comet came on here scoping the place out pretending to be a centrist lefty. then he went away and came back as hairy jello a disturbing baiter and chaos spreader.
cindy b does nothing but post hyper-paranoid bull swit.
yes they could easily be paid trolls based anywhere and routed through several IP addresses.
Coupled with the already rampant propaganda of tv and the web, they're continued presence is simultaneous with a change in the atmosphere around here.
nobody posts like that who is serious about debate and discussion.
well... um, ok Salt.
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I never loved Russia except when Gorbachev was the leader.
Putin is a dictator. Russia is our enemy and means to do us harm.

I call em as I see em.
comet came on here scoping the place out pretending to be a centrist lefty. then he went away and came back as hairy jello a disturbing baiter and chaos spreader.
cindy b does nothing but post hyper-paranoid bull swit.
yes they could easily be paid trolls based anywhere and routed through several IP addresses.
Coupled with the already rampant propaganda of tv and the web, they're continued presence is simultaneous with a change in the atmosphere around here.
nobody posts like that who is serious about debate and discussion.
I'll say one thing, you're always good for a laugh.
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comet came on here scoping the place out pretending to be a centrist lefty. then he went away and came back as hairy jello a disturbing baiter and chaos spreader.

cindy b does nothing but post hyper-paranoid bull swit.
yes they could easily be paid trolls based anywhere and routed through several IP addresses.
Ahhh, no.
Comet and Hairy are not the same.
Dontcha think some of us who were moderators here at one time checked on this goofball claim you refuse to drop?

Cindy has good sources most of the time.
At least the topics she brings forth to the board are usually worthy of serious discussion.

Then we have you.....
Mmmhmmm..
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It's good the Daily Kos has some recognition of the problem labeling everyone who disagrees as a Russian agent. But they are an outlier in the Democrat party. Te Mueller report may have collapsed the Russian collusion narrative but the Red scare is still required doctrine for mainstream Democrats.

In yesterday's episode of the Schiff show former senior State department appointee Fiona Hill used part of her opening statement to imperiously lecture us about doing the work of the Russians when we elect a President who interferes with the noble work of passing out US taxpayer dollars to corrupt countries like the Ukraine.

Then there is former Democrat Presidential nominee Hillary Clinton condemning Tulsi Gabbard and Jill Stein as Russian agents. The designated successor to President Obama no longer blames the vast right wing conspiracy, it has been modernized to Russians.
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Noble gesture by DailyKos but it won't make their readers (or liberals in general) more intelligent or see them develop a desire to debate. The assignment of labels doesn't flow from any real belief that the other person actually is a Russian agent, it's just the latest tactic of feelings protection for those who can't debate.

The quicker they can assign a label that allows them to dismiss the opposing voice, the quicker they can get back to their cozy pajama place where their beliefs aren't challenged.
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Noble gesture by DailyKos but it won't make their readers (or liberals in general) more intelligent or see them develop a desire to debate. The assignment of labels doesn't flow from any real belief that the other person actually is a Russian agent, it's just the latest tactic of feelings protection for those who can't debate.

The quicker they can assign a label that allows them to dismiss the opposing voice, the quicker they can get back to their cozy pajama place where their beliefs aren't challenged.
Maybe if you guys would stop parroting Russian propaganda all the time we might stop calling you Russian stooges. either way, whether you are doing it on purpose or are just one of their useful idiots doesn't really matter. The effect is the same.

want to stop being labeled Russian propagandists? then stop repeating Russian propaganda designed to destroy the USA.
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Not calling ot any particular person... coughSaltcough... c'mon
But even people on the left ON LEFT leaning websites are trying to reign in the BSery of their comrades on this.
(it is amazing that that left used to LOVE Russia.. but now sheesh they gone further than McCarthy and red baiters did.)


this is really rich coming from someone who has spent the last three years parroting Russian talking points. I mean you aren't still denying that the SVR meddled in the 2016 and 2018 elections in order to get Republicans elected are you? You aren't still denying that they are currently still meddling in our media and will further attempt to meddle in the 2020 elections in order to get tRUmp re-elected are you?

I agree that its unlikely that they would target a small message board like this one, but there is no debate on whether they are active in places with more activity like Facebook, twitter and reddit for example.

Regardless though, whether they are purposely spreading Russian propaganda or doing it because they are useful idiots like you it doesn't really matter. The effect is the same.
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