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Old 12-11-2019, 12:03 AM
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That's TWO things.

Liberal thinkers by their very definition are more open-minded than conservative thinkers; wouldn't you agree?
Conservatives are critical thinkers yes given the facts that they allow themselves.
Most people go back and forth but not thinking out of a certain box they've set for themselves based on environment and choice.


Yet I will debate someone {not necessarily you) who is closeminded about Democrats/ liberals.
Liberal thinkers are usually more open-minded to NEW or NEWER ideas, but they are usually very closed minded to old or older ideas, whereas conservatives are usually very closed-minded to NEW or NEWER ideas, but are usually very open-minded to old or older ideas.
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Old 12-11-2019, 07:18 AM
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Liberal thinkers are usually more open-minded to NEW or NEWER ideas, but they are usually very closed minded to old or older ideas, whereas conservatives are usually very closed-minded to NEW or NEWER ideas, but are usually very open-minded to old or older ideas.
I don't believe that is true. As a conservative, I don't have problems with new ideas. However, I don't accept an idea just because it is new.

From my point of view, I see the difference between Progressives (I don't like to use the term Liberal as it has been bastardized from it's original meaning) and Conservatives more along the lines of analytical.

Progressives tend to be emotionally driven. They tend to react quickly to headlines and sound bites. They feel that empathy is more important than logic.

Conservatives tend to look at things more logically and in so doing, come across as heartless and unfeeling.

The example I like to use is minimum wage. I don't really want to derail the thread to talk about this issue, but only use it as an example. (If someone wants to debate that topic, please start a new thread). Progressives see raising the minimum wage as a positive in that they believe that it puts more money in the pockets of lower wage employees. Conservatives generally are opposed to raising the min wage.

Progressives then attack Conservatives as heartless and uncaring. But what they don't do is examine the long term consequences of raising the min wage while Conservatives will point out that it is in effect simply raising the rate of inflation by devaluing the dollar.

The point is that ideas need to be examined and debated, not just adopted because they "feel" good. Progressives generally will embrace ideas that "feel" good, but ignore the consequences of those ideas until they become prevalent, and then they will blame Conservatives for the outcomes.
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Liberal thinkers are usually more open-minded to NEW or NEWER ideas, but they are usually very closed minded to old or older ideas, whereas conservatives are usually very closed-minded to NEW or NEWER ideas, but are usually very open-minded to old or older ideas.
The current infatuation with the false promises of socialism is not a new thing. In our own history it stretches back to the Pilgrims disastrous start in the new world. In the modern era FDR'S new deal fascism became the model for today's radical Progressives.

The Left's new ideas are all aimed at the same goal, expansion of a central government they control. From the new deal's war on economic royalists to the fundamental transformation's battle against the maldistribution of wealth it's the same class warfare appeal to surrender freedoms to the cloying embrace of a failed system.

Conservatives resist what the Left claims is the necessary destruction of our freedoms preferring to allow individuals to achieve whatever their interests and abilities allow. This approach is undergirded by a moral framework rooted in religious belief. New ideas are welcomed but subject to rigorous examination.
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I don't believe that is true. As a conservative, I don't have problems with new ideas. However, I don't accept an idea just because it is new.

From my point of view, I see the difference between Progressives (I don't like to use the term Liberal as it has been bastardized from it's original meaning) and Conservatives more along the lines of analytical.

Progressives tend to be emotionally driven. They tend to react quickly to headlines and sound bites. They feel that empathy is more important than logic.

Conservatives tend to look at things more logically and in so doing, come across as heartless and unfeeling.

The example I like to use is minimum wage. I don't really want to derail the thread to talk about this issue, but only use it as an example. (If someone wants to debate that topic, please start a new thread). Progressives see raising the minimum wage as a positive in that they believe that it puts more money in the pockets of lower wage employees. Conservatives generally are opposed to raising the min wage.

Progressives then attack Conservatives as heartless and uncaring. But what they don't do is examine the long term consequences of raising the min wage while Conservatives will point out that it is in effect simply raising the rate of inflation by devaluing the dollar.

The point is that ideas need to be examined and debated, not just adopted because they "feel" good. Progressives generally will embrace ideas that "feel" good, but ignore the consequences of those ideas until they become prevalent, and then they will blame Conservatives for the outcomes.
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I don't believe that is true. As a conservative, I don't have problems with new ideas. However, I don't accept an idea just because it is new.

From my point of view, I see the difference between Progressives (I don't like to use the term Liberal as it has been bastardized from it's original meaning) and Conservatives more along the lines of analytical.

Progressives tend to be emotionally driven. They tend to react quickly to headlines and sound bites. They feel that empathy is more important than logic.

Conservatives tend to look at things more logically and in so doing, come across as heartless and unfeeling.


The example I like to use is minimum wage. I don't really want to derail the thread to talk about this issue, but only use it as an example. (If someone wants to debate that topic, please start a new thread). Progressives see raising the minimum wage as a positive in that they believe that it puts more money in the pockets of lower wage employees. Conservatives generally are opposed to raising the min wage.

Progressives then attack Conservatives as heartless and uncaring. But what they don't do is examine the long term consequences of raising the min wage while Conservatives will point out that it is in effect simply raising the rate of inflation by devaluing the dollar.

The point is that ideas need to be examined and debated, not just adopted because they "feel" good. Progressives generally will embrace ideas that "feel" good, but ignore the consequences of those ideas until they become prevalent, and then they will blame Conservatives for the outcomes.
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by way of common sense, liberals have been the ones to fuel the renaissance as opposed to the conservative dark ages.
You apparently could not resist comparing matters to another era--hundreds of years ago--as if that were relevant nowadays.

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conservatives by nature are attached to the status quo while liberals jump on the new shiny change wagon
Precisely!

And if you believe that the "new shiny change wagon" represents superior critical-thinking skills...well, it would be a vast understatement to say that we greatly disagree...

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what I see as dangerous is we have been on this conservative trip now too long
it's time to go outside and blow the stink off
Oh, I see.

Conservatism is imbued with a "stink."

Got it...

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we had a policy towards blacks then we had a liberal revolution
we had a policy toward gays and had something of a revolution but conservatives are trying to return both to the armpits of history.
And just what conservative, in a position of power (not some nobody with, say, the KKK) is trying to do this?

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we got rid of important regulations, lowered taxes
conservatives want more of that
I am unaware of any "important" regulations that we have dispensed with.

But I am very much in favor of a low-regulation society.

And, of course, I am also in favor of our lowering taxes.

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t's time for a change because the stagnation has evolved into fascist ideals...
Are you entirely serious?

Do you really believe that today's conservatives are worshipers of "fascis[m]"?
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