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Old 07-10-2019, 01:46 AM
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Ya know?...WAAAAY back when (1991-ish), I took my then-girlfriend AND HER SISTER to a Michael Bolton concert...My man-card was suspended for years...

...and I'm the friggin' Brawny paper towel guy compared to this turd...

I can't believe this coward actually wrote this on his own blog...

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As I was browsing Facebook last night, I saw a picture of an old high school friend celebrating the Fourth of July with her daughter on her lap. She was wearing a “Make America Great Again” hat.

Now, this friend and her family are evangelical Christians, and I’ve definitely disagreed with them on many things. But we’ve had respectful conversations about many topics in the past, even on the very personal issue of their anti-gay beliefs, and I believed that there was still mutual respect despite these significant disagreements. I’ve even stayed in their home in the past. But seeing her proudly wearing a MAGA hat in public — and with her daughter no less — violated this accord deeply.

It’s not just a hat. It’s a symbol of all of the oppression and injustice the Trump administration is responsible for. It’s an endorsement of caging kids, banning Muslims, firing trans people, and dozens of other ways Trump has undermined our democracy — up to and including the fascist military display that graced the National Mall last night. More than anything, “MAGA” represents the idea that some human lives are worth more than others.

I explained all of this to my old friend. To those inclined to reject the humanity of any particular group, a MAGA hat is a symbol of affirmation — license and encouragement to continue holding those beliefs. To members of those many rejected groups, it’s a threat — a warning that such prejudice is welcome in that person’s vicinity (and may come from them directly). It’s unacceptable to me to be subjected to that symbol from someone with whom I hypothetically have mutual trust.

I gave my friend an ultimatum. I told her I wouldn’t unfriend her so long as she apologized for wearing the hat and promised me I wouldn’t have to see it in my feed again. When she claimed I was trying to police her beliefs, I corrected her, pointing out that my conditions only regarded the hat, not her position on any particular issue. When she claimed that she’s equally offended by the Pride flag, I corrected her again, explaining that objecting to a symbol of inclusion is in no way comparable to objecting to a symbol of exclusion and that she was making a false equivalency. When she said, “If I can’t have an opinion about something then I guess I don’t really live in a free country,” I knew there was no longer enough common ground for us to have a relationship.

We have free speech, but we don’t have freedom from accountability for that speech. Anyone reading this is free to wear a MAGA hat, but you can’t both wear a MAGA hat and claim to “love thy neighbor.” You can’t both wear a MAGA hat and claim to respect me or millions of other Americans. You can’t both wear a MAGA hat and believe that you’re not reinforcing hate and oppression against others. We’re way too far past such naivete at this point, and I certainly want no part in helping you to convince yourself otherwise.

As someone who writes about Trump and his subordinates every day, I need every reprieve I can find from the ongoing toxic demise of our country, including in my personal social media. But my decision today to unfriend this individual was no simple purge; I am significantly emotionally wounded. Here was someone with a happy, clean, healthy child on her lap openly praising the man who has torn apart families and won’t even give kids soap. And when asked to choose between a hat that embodies that evil and someone she’s known half her life, she chose the hat. It left me feeling like we’re so much worse off than I’d convinced myself we were.

My final words to her were: “Every time you wear the hat, you remember you lost a friendship over it. Every time.” I know for sure I’ll now think of her every time I see a MAGA hat, and I’ll fear its corrupting power even more than I used to.
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Old 07-10-2019, 02:48 AM
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some of my family are republican, some think trump is all that and a bowl of grits. but we were taught not to wear our politics on our sleeve which used to be the norm for respectable sensible people. once we found out we differ on this we never spoke of it. or wore T-shirts such as 'Bernie 2020' etc to their house
as for facebook and stuff, some people are rampant and others can just disagree.
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Old 07-10-2019, 03:14 AM
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besides all that other stuff I said, the hats are a fad
much like trump
I don't follow trends, never have
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What a complete waste of human flesh. I don't care what a person's politics are, I can be friends with anyone. I have a few friends that lean to the left, but I always respect their right to their opinions and do not try to make them feel uncomfortable with them. And they do the same for me. It's too bad this piece of human garbage feels that a hat is more important to him than a long time friendship.
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While I have personally experienced a similar attempt to control behavior via 'X offends me' and find humor in the responses, what the blogger was doing has all the earmarks of an abusive personality.

It's how some on the left have chosen to operate. Attempting to make one feel guilty for thoughts that do not fall inline with their desires. Make you question yourself for average, standard thoughts, to undermine your self-confidence and beliefs.

I lived with it for years, not understanding what I was 'doing wrong' in a familial relationship. It pained me that there was such anger toward me for no particular action, just for existing. One sibling's comment was 'they drip animosity'.

Then one day, I woke up......
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While I have personally experienced a similar attempt to control behavior via 'X offends me' and find humor in the responses, what the blogger was doing has all the earmarks of an abusive personality.

It's how some on the left have chosen to operate. Attempting to make one feel guilty for thoughts that do not fall inline with their desires. Make you question yourself for average, standard thoughts, to undermine your self-confidence and beliefs.

I lived with it for years, not understanding what I was 'doing wrong' in a familial relationship. It pained me that there was such anger toward me for no particular action, just for existing. One sibling's comment was 'they drip animosity'.

Then one day, I woke up......
I like how this person said that the Pride flag was inclusive, but make America great, was not.

A flag that celebrates 1% of the country is inclusive, But a hat about America being great, is not?

I must be missing something.
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I like how this person said that the Pride flag was inclusive, but make America great, was not.

A flag that celebrates 1% of the country is inclusive, But a hat about America being great, is not?

I must be missing something.
You mean something like a mental illness? Good for you.
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It’s not just a hat. It’s a symbol of all of the oppression and injustice the Trump administration is responsible for. It’s an endorsement of caging kids, banning Muslims, firing trans people, and dozens of other ways Trump has undermined our democracy — up to and including the fascist military display that graced the National Mall last night. More than anything, "MAGA" represents the idea that some human lives are worth more than others. ...

When she claimed that she’s equally offended by the Pride flag, I corrected her again, explaining that objecting to a symbol of inclusion is in no way comparable to objecting to a symbol of exclusion and that she was making a false equivalency. ...

Anyone reading this is free to wear a MAGA hat, but you can’t both wear a MAGA hat and claim to "love thy neighbor." You can’t both wear a MAGA hat and claim to respect me or millions of other Americans. You can’t both wear a MAGA hat and believe that you’re not reinforcing hate and oppression against others. ...

"As someone who writes about Trump and his subordinates every day, I need every reprieve I can find from the ongoing toxic demise of our country..."
In other words, those who support President Trump (and his Make America Great Again campaign) are not only wrong--but actually evil.

The left is morally and ethically free to display its own symbols--after all, they represent "inclusion"--in a way that the right is not morally and ethically free to do. (Legally free, perhaps--but nothing more.)

Does it seem to you that the left is now veering toward a sort of thought control (some might even say totalitarianism)?
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It's how some on the left have chosen to operate. ..
That is what the hit piece was all about, getting you to believe that.
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That is what the hit piece was all about, getting you to believe that.
You describe it as a "hit piece."

That would seem to imply that there was something fundamentally inaccurate about it.

Or, at the very least, that it was highly tendentious in the way that it phrased things.

Could you point out either of these flaws, please?
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