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MSNBC’s Donny Deutsch said Friday that Democrats should no longer use the word “impeachment” due to political risks associated with it and instead brand President Trump a “criminal.”

The host of MSNBC’s “Saturday Night Politics” appeared on the “Morning Joe” to offer some free advice to the Democratic Party in its fight against the White House.

“We know Trump broke the law,” Deutsch said. “Here’s the answer, you take it from a binary choice of two lanes, you create a third lane. You take the word impeachment, and you change it to criminal activity.”

The pundit went on to say that Democrats should point to the Robert Mueller report that, in his view, found that Trump obstructed justice.

“We are going to initiate and continue the ongoing Trump criminal investigations … Trump criminal, Trump criminal investigations,” Deutsch said.
MSNBC host says ‘impeachment’ is a losing word, brand Trump as ‘criminal’ instead – ATWNews

Donny Deutsch was a long time friend of Donald Trump and once appeared as a judge on The Apprentice. He's a branding and marketing expert that knows how to label and market a product. In this case he's giving Democrats a means of properly marketing that "Trump is a criminal" by associating "Trump and Criminal" by repeatedly using the phrase "Trump Criminal Investigation" instead of "Trump-Impeachment" investigation. There's too many political negatives associated with word "impeachment" while those same negatives don't apply to "criminal" although both address the exact same issue. What criminal laws has Donald Trump violated?

As Deutsch stated this is turning the tables on Donald Trump using Trump's own tactics of repeating the same word over and over again until an association is made by the repeated use of the term. "No Collusion" and "No Obstruction" has been used by Trump so many times that a lot of people believe it even though neither is accurate. Collusion isn't a crime and was never investigated and the Mueller Report never cleared Donald Trump of obstruction of justice but instead provided the evidence for obstruction of justice that would have resulted in the indictment of anyone other than a sitting President of the United States.

The Trump Criminal Investigation can address the same crimes that the current Congressional "Oversight" investigations are addressing but j"Oversight" doesn't imply "Criminal" conduct by the President. The Trump Criminal Investigation can address Trump's "obstruction of justice" related to the Russia investigation. The Trump Criminal Investigation can address Trump's "campaign finance" violations where he was identified as "unindicted Person A" in the Michael Cohen conviction for the same charges. The Trump Criminal Investigation can address Trump's "bank and mail fraud" by grossly overstating his financial assets to obtain financial backing.

The Trump Criminal Investigation can address many other "criminal" offenses where evidence has been presented that supports further investigation to gather enough evidence to secure a conviction. This includes further investigation into a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russians where Mueller was unable to find the "smoking gun" required for a criminal conviction after two years. It can take a decade or more of investigation to find the final piece of evidence to obtain a conviction.

In each and every one of these investigations "Trump" and "Criminal" will be hammered into the minds of the American people. It's a tactic used by Trump and it's a tactic that the Democrats can successfully use against Donald Trump.

This is actually the first time that I've ever been impressed by Donny Deutsch.
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This is odd...

The media telling the Democrats what to do instead of the other way around...
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This is odd...

The media telling the Democrats what to do instead of the other way around...
I wouldn't call Donny Deutsch the "media" but he has a successful resume as a branding and marketing expert. The Democrats are between a rock and a hard place. No president has deserved to face impeachment more than Donald Trump but the Republican controlled Senate would never remove Trump from office without it being based upon a blatant violation of criminal law. The fact that impeachment isn't based upon a violation of criminal law notwithstanding the Senate Republicans are insisting on a "smoking gun" violation of criminal law.

The House needs to provide evidence of criminal acts committed by Donald Trump and numerous committees providing "oversight" doesn't provide that direct link between "Criminal" and "Trump" that must be established in the minds of the American people. Congressional "oversight" was never intended to address "criminal" activities per se. It was to see that things were running properly by agencies under the President. We've never had a President with such disregard for the law in the White House before and the House needs to just focus on criminal conduct specifically in it's impeachment role but it needs to do so without using the word impeachment.

Establish Trump's criminal conduct and the American people will demand impeachment and not even the Senate Republicans will be able to cover for Donald Trump anymore.
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Interesting that none of the conservatives have jumped into this thread. I get the feeling that a dedicated criminal investigation of Donald Trump that cuts through the political partisanship could be a scary thing for Republican Trump supporters. Crimes may be committed for political reasons but the crimes themselves are never political. It's a simple case of "here's the law and here's the facts" (evidence) and if the facts match the criteria of the crime then the crime was committed.

One thing is interesting because I can see a president committing an evil act that has never been defined as criminal because it's something that only a president could do and no president has ever done it before. Congress doesn't pass laws just because something is nefariously wrong. If it's never been done and no one expects it to ever be done then there's no reason for a law against it. With Donald Trump we seem to have traveled into that dark territory where there's no moral guidance to prevent anything evil and horrible from happening.

The "no collusion" comments indicate this because collusion is not a crime but collusion can be a very evil act that's harmful to society or our nation. It's just not defined as a criminal act because no president prior to Trump would have ever considered doing it.
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Interesting that none of the conservatives have jumped into this thread.

I get the feeling that a dedicated criminal investigation of Donald Trump that cuts through the political partisanship could be a scary thing for Republican Trump supporters.
No....

Far too many Donald supports don't care what he says or does, period....

He wasn't Hillary and everything else is moot.....

It has become basically that simple....
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No....

Far too many Donald supports don't care what he says or does, period....

He wasn't Hillary and everything else is moot.....

It has become basically that simple....
True in many respects and they're still fighting Hillary Clinton as a distraction to what Trump's been doing or has done in the past.

Hard core Trump supporters that don't care how many laws Trump has violated or even that he's lied to them and betrayed their trust are. in reality. a rather small percentage of the American electorate but they do have dominating control of the current Republican Party. Few Republicans in Congress respect Trump or would support Trump except for the threat his supporters represent because they can "primary" an incumbent that goes against Trump.

Timing can mean everything. If the Trump Criminal Investigation gathers convincing evidence of criminal acts that Trump's committed (should be no problem in several cases) so that the vast majority of the American electorate is calling for Trump's impeachment and removal from office then just don't start the process until after the primaries in 2020. Then Republicans don't have to worry about being "primaried" before the 2020 general election. Two years down the road what they did in 2020 with Donald Trump, who'd be facing criminal prosecution by then, will no longer matter.
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I wouldn't call Donny Deutsch the "media" but he has a successful resume as a branding and marketing expert.
Really????...He's not the media????

He has his OWN SHOW on MSNBC...

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Re-labeling ****, means it's still ****, with a new name. It still stinks, it still gets into the tread of your boots, and it still leaves a mess all over the place.

I learned in high school Law & Government class that a criminal investigation occurs when a specific crime has been committed, and LE investigate the who-what-where, not "Here's the person, find a crime' technique so popular with some today.

The distortion being portrayed to the rising generations will be deemed the norm for them, to be used in the future.

And that is what concerns me the most.
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It’s a mistake to call it a criminal investigation because it feeds the false narrative that Mueller let Trump off the hook. Trump defenders (around here and more broadly) keep falsely claiming that because Mueller didn't proclaim that Trump committed an indictable crime, the investigation should be over and there is no basis for impeachment. The only forum for formal action against Trump, until he leaves office, is Congress, and the Constitutional standard applicable to their further actions are not the criminal code.
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It’s a mistake to call it a criminal investigation because it feeds the false narrative that Mueller let Trump off the hook. Trump defenders (around here and more broadly) keep falsely claiming that because Mueller didn't proclaim that Trump committed an indictable crime, the investigation should be over and there is no basis for impeachment. The only forum for formal action against Trump, until he leaves office, is Congress, and the Constitutional standard applicable to their further actions are not the criminal code.
So why then are the Democrats so hesitant to bring it before Congress instead of running to every microphone and camera they can find to proclaim that Trump broke the law because Mueller didn't come out and say that Trump in innocent (something that he was not charged to do, not should ever do in any investigation)?

It is very clear that the only thing the Dems want at this point is to insinuate that Trump is guilty of a crime in an effort to erode public trust to win the next election. They are nothing but frauds and con artists.
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