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Old 05-13-2019, 06:26 PM
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THE BEST WAY TO AVERT WAR WITH IRAN? FIRE JOHN BOLTON | OPINION

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Iran's decision to retaliate against the U.S. withdrawal from the nuclear deal was inevitable, so long as its back was pushed against the wall. Iran exercised “strategic patience” for the past year, hoping that the other parties to the deal would stand up to Trump’s bullying and defy U.S. sanctions if Iran remained fully compliant with the deal. Now it has decided on a measured response: to halt compliance with aspects of the accord that recent U.S. sanctions themselves obstruct but leave the window for diplomacy open.

The backdrop to Iran’s decision is incredibly dangerous brinkmanship from senior Trump officials, particularly National Security Advisor John Bolton. Even as Iran has kept open the option of climbing down the escalation ladder, war could become a fait accompli if Trump keeps Bolton in the White House.
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Importantly, Iranian officials have stressed their countermeasures with respect to the U.S. withdrawal from the nuclear deal, formally known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), are reversible and that Iran will not precipitate a conflict. Iranian President Rouhani was careful to state that Iran's decision did not amount to a withdrawal from the deal, but was permitted by the agreement, in particular its clause that Iran will treat the reintroduction or reimposition of sanctions “as grounds to cease performing its commitments under this JCPOA in whole or in part.”

Rouhani proclaimed: "Today we don't want to exit the JCPOA. All our people and the world should know that today is not the day of the JCPOA's end."

Iran’s Deputy Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi has said in regards to Iran’s JCPOA decision that Tehran’s approach was centered on "diplomacy" and giving the other side "opportunities" to "make up for shortcomings." Iran’s UN Ambassador Majid Takht Ravanchi has similarly also stated: “The window for diplomacy is not closed. We believe that Iran will negotiate with the remaining parties in the nuclear deal and we will have to see the results of these negotiations."
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However, while Iran views its JCPOA decision as a way to build leverage for a deal, Bolton appears to be ceaselessly cooking up ways to trigger a U.S.-Iran conflict. Long an advocate of U.S. military strikes against Iran, Bolton has spearheaded the imposition of unprecedented unilateral sanctions, all but seeking to eliminate Iranian oil exports, and provocatively bragging about the deployment of a carrier strike group to the Persian Gulf.

Iran’s retaliatory actions on the JCPOA now presage a flashpoint between the U.S. and Iran. Herein lies the risk for Tehran. By entering a tit-for-tat with the Trump administration, Bolton will ensure that escalation becomes self-propelling and impossible to reverse. While Trump appears to not want a war, Bolton could see him sleepwalk into one.

There are signs that Trump is increasingly frustrated with Bolton. CNN reports that the president has “told friends that if Bolton had his way he'd already be at war in multiple places.” At a rally earlier this week in Florida, Trump also stated that he hopes for a “fair deal” with Iran, adding: “We aren't looking to hurt anybody. We just don't want them to have nuclear weapons. That's all we want.” The later statement is directly at odds with the reality of Trump’s Iran policy, which by all accounts Bolton is driving.

Bolton, an Iraq War architect, is in fact emulating the George W. Bush playbook that led to that disastrous conflict. His Iran strategy has been marked by inaccurately tying Iran to al-Qaeda, baselessly stating that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons, and politicizing intelligence assessments on Iran. Bolton’s recent threat of “unrelenting force” against Iran was also based on vague intelligence regarding an alleged Iranian plot, raising the prospects of a Gulf of Tonkin-like false flag that can set of a catastrophic, region-wide conflict.
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To state the obvious, Bolton is a sadist prick.
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The Iranians never signed the agreement. Obama never submitted it for Senate confirmation. The Iranians have never relented from their policy of death to America nor abandoned their support for terrorism in support of their ambitions to build a new Persian empire. Yet according to the editorial writer of the OP it's the Iranians who are dedicated to seeking peace. It's a classic Orange man bad rant ignoring the reality of the situation.
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"The best way to avert war with iran? Fire john Bolton"
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The best way to avert war? It's like this: Ask a homeowner to put away his defenses and allow the intruder to take what he wants, do what he wants, and in the meantime, the homeowner should cower in a corner with his butt sticking straight up, in case the intruder wants to kick it in a thank you gesture. See? No war done! Isn't chicken peace grand?
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The best way to avert war? It's like this: Ask a homeowner to put away his defenses and allow the intruder to take what he wants, do what he wants, and in the meantime, the homeowner should cower in a corner with his butt sticking straight up, in case the intruder wants to kick it in a thank you gesture. See? No war done! Isn't chicken peace grand?
So you're saying that Iran should just surrender and let the to the U.S. invade it with our carriers off it's coast and the military bases surrounding the country? let foreign Gov'ts go in and inspect their land anything at any time and take their weapons or possibly weapons. So Iran can have "peace" with the US Israel and Saudi Arabia etc?

Last i checked Iran hasn't invaded any country militarily. Or even been behind any U.S. targeted terror attacks, the country behind those attacks have been Saudi Arabia.
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So you're saying that Iran should just surrender and let the to the U.S. invade it with our carriers off it's coast and the military bases surrounding the country?

Last i checked Iran hasn't invaded any country militarily. Or even been behind in U.S. targeted terror attacks, the country behind those attacks have been Saudi Arabia.
Please show evidence that the United States has any plans to invade Iran. I believe that if Iran were to mind their own affairs and stop promoting and funding terrorism around the globe, the US would most likely ignore most of what they do. However, they are showing a propensity to use terrorism and military threats to spread their influence in the area while proclaiming to seek the elimination of Israel and death to America. That cannot and should not be ignored.
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Please show evidence that the United States has any plans to invade Iran. .
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So you're saying that Iran should just surrender and let the to the U.S. invade it with our carriers off it's coast and the military bases surrounding the country? let foreign Gov'ts go in and inspect their land anything at any time and take their weapons or possibly weapons. So Iran can have "peace" with the US Israel and Saudi Arabia etc?

Last i checked Iran hasn't invaded any country militarily. Or even been behind any U.S. targeted terror attacks, the country behind those attacks have been Saudi Arabia.
I don't care if Iran gets turned into a glass parking lot, if you prefer. But I'm pretty sure the United States Navy has not violated the sovereign territory of the Assaholahs there. Or Ayatollahs. Something like that.
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Iran's decision to retaliate against the U.S. withdrawal from the nuclear deal was inevitable...
Am I supposed to take this guy seriously when his first phrase is a lie? There was no deal. Congress never approved anything, because b.o. never submitted it for approval, he didn't submit it for approval because there was no way he was going to get it. Iran never signed a deal, they just took the bribe money and laughed.

Iran is a state sponsor of terror, period, end of discussion. We shouldn't even be negotiating with them let alone trying to make a deal.

There is no need for war with Iran, we sanction them, blockade them if necessary, keep a carrier group in the international waters of the Persian gulf area to remind them were watching and to protect shipping in the area, and let Israel blow up any nuclear weapons facility they might build (they have proven good at that).

Iran saw what happened to their neighbor when they poked the tiger, they won't make the same mistake.
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Please show evidence that the United States has any plans to invade Iran.
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How is this any evidence of a planned invasion?!?!?!...Putting troops close by means "Planned invasion"?!!!?...
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