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The best way to prevent war is to demonstrate to your adversaries that you have overwhelming force and the resolve to employ it in the face of aggression.

Iran is and has been a bad actor in this region and needs to understand that their shenanigans will not be tolerated any longer. Unlike the last administration that looked to appease out enemies, this President is not afraid to put the option of force on the table when diplomacy fails.
I know this doesn't mean much to most folks, but I'll say it anyway , the constitution does not give the president the authority to theathen to or invade nations or even go to war unless We are in immediate danger or are under attacked.

Can anyone show me the president can invade nations if foreign countries protect a native water way on the other side of the world clause. Or maybe the foreign country CiC foreign lands shenanigans clause.
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I know this doesn't mean much to most folks, but I'll say it anyway , the constitution does not give the president the authority to theathen to or invade nations or even go to war unless We are in immediate danger or are under attacked.

Can anyone show me the president can invade nations if foreign countries protect a native water way on the other side of the world clause. Or maybe the foreign country CiC foreign lands shenanigans clause.
It doesn't make any sense arguing or discussing with a liberal the threat of using overwhelming firepower to convince some rogue nation that it had better stop its crap regarding holding hostage an international waterway.

It's like a burglar telling an intruder not to use any force on him that might hurt or kill him, because the law says you can't.
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It doesn't make any sense arguing or discussing with a liberal the threat of using overwhelming firepower to convince some rogue nation that it had better stop its crap regarding holding hostage an international waterway.

It's like a burglar telling an intruder not to use any force on him that might hurt or kill him, because the law says you can't.
I'm sorry I missed the conservative constitutional part of your reply.
BTW when did Iran block an international waterway exactly?
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I'm sorry I missed the conservative constitutional part of your reply.
BTW when did Iran block an international waterway exactly?

We do not have to invade Iran if it turns psycho on the Strait of Hormuz. All we have to do is kick the crap out of the Assahollah's attack teams. As to the reply to the second part of your post, threats count as imminent attacks, to me anyway, and most likely also to US Naval forces in the region.

--look at this:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-t-use-it-fars

Iran had better not go full retard.
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We do not have to invade Iran if it turns psycho on the Strait of Hormuz. All we have to do is kick the crap out of the Assahollah's attack teams. As to the reply to the second part of your post, threats count as imminent attacks, to me anyway, and most likely also to US Naval forces in the region.

--look at this:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-t-use-it-fars

Iran had better not go full retard.
Umm ok I read it. It says that Iran says it will attack US military vessels if THEY try and block Iranian use of international waters off their coast. Are you saying the US has the right to block international waters on foreign coastlines and no country should complain.... or else.
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Umm ok I read it. It says that Iran says it will attack US military vessels if THEY try and block Iranian use of international waters off their coast. Are you saying the US has the right to block international waters on foreign coastlines and no country should complain.... or else.
all trump fans now play with semantics. the pop culture ones do it so their watchers/readers follow suit.
Makes me wonder just how many Trump supporters or not even supporters just disgruntled voters, are really just drama queens who now have a spokesperson.
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Umm ok I read it. It says that Iran says it will attack US military vessels if THEY try and block Iranian use of international waters off their coast. Are you saying the US has the right to block international waters on foreign coastlines and no country should complain.... or else.
Any country has the right to complain. I'm waiting for China to try something stupid and get its ass kicked. About America having the right to block skunk oil, those are politics beyond my understanding, but as soon as I find out, I will get back to your concern.
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Okay. That didn't take long. I take it to mean we have the market gods on our side, while other countries don't. Enough for me.
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I know this doesn't mean much to most folks, but I'll say it anyway , the constitution does not give the president the authority to theathen to or invade nations or even go to war unless We are in immediate danger or are under attacked.

Can anyone show me the president can invade nations if foreign countries protect a native water way on the other side of the world clause. Or maybe the foreign country CiC foreign lands shenanigans clause.
As far as I know, Trump has not invaded any country. And the Constitution does not prevent the President from letting hostile nations know that military action is a possibility. So far, that is all that he as done in this instance.
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I know this doesn't mean much to most folks, but I'll say it anyway , the constitution does not give the president the authority to theathen to or invade nations or even go to war unless We are in immediate danger or are under attacked.

Can anyone show me the president can invade nations if foreign countries protect a native water way on the other side of the world clause. Or maybe the foreign country CiC foreign lands shenanigans clause.
Wrong.

The constitution doesn't empower the president to "declare" war. That is different than showing force and "declaring" our intent. A power of foreign relations the Office of the President does Constitutionaly hold.

He also has the power to use our military to defend our property and interests on the high seas. You may recall Jefferson did this early on in our nation's history. Barbary coast. If you remember history, that president helped to write the document.
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