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Iran saw what happened to their neighbor when they poked the tiger, they won't make the same mistake.
I don't know. I can picture one of those Iranians telling his friends, "Here. Hold my beer and watch this."
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How is this any evidence of a planned invasion?!?!?!...Putting troops close by means "Planned invasion"?!!!?...
It's part of pentagon "PLAN" they even have name for it. "Stupid Warmonger OIL 4 Zeus" or something. 120,000 troops specifically for Iran . that's almost as many troops as were sent to Iraq.
How can you be so willingly blind?

it's dejavu all over again, this time they aren't even bothering to make up WMD BS. But even a few retired generals smell a "Gulf of Tonkin" type of total BS excuse coming to get the ball rolling.
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these flip opinions about Iran's humanity are examples of what I see provoking our utter destruction w/o mercy some day. I thought 911 would make us all rethink our policies of the MIC it but we didn't learned anything.
btw the word "Congress" was struck from Eisenhower's speech on that. I just learned that today and it was so prophetic.
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Not sure why folks think that provoking/attacking Iran will be good.
(not to mention, ethical, legal, or constitutional which NO one, left or right, gives a crap about (except for the 2nd amendment of course))
Russia is an ally and China works with them as well.
Similar to attacking Syria, attacking Iran it's playing with WW3

But sadly to may of us in the U.S. seem to have this attitude.
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Not sure why folks think that provoking/attacking Iran will be good.
(not to mention, ethical, legal, or constitutional which NO one, left or right, gives a crap about (except for the 2nd amendment of course))
Russia is an ally and China works with them as well.
Similar to attacking Syria, attacking Iran it's playing with WW3

But sadly to may of us in the U.S. seem to have this attitude.
One thing is oppositionism. If the opponent's party is for it then I'm agin' it. And it often works both ways.
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Not sure why folks think that provoking/attacking Iran will be good.
Keeping international waters open is not an act of provoking, unless you believe some armchair combat veterans and their broad experience with war. Also, a defensive act against some attacker is called "self-defense", and people should not get confused, like the imbeciles in most schools seem to do whenever some student defends himself or herself by mopping the floor with some annoying bully.

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It doesn't take multiple aircraft carrier groups and 120,00 ground troops to defend oil tankers,
multiple aircraft carrier groups 120,000 ground troops is for an full blown invasion. not protection of a shipping lane.



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One thing is oppositionism. If the opponent's party is for it then I'm agin' it. And it often works both ways.
tha's been mainly the case for the party faithful voters but the sad thing in the establishment democrats and republicans are generally all for these BS wars. They all have been for attacks on Iraq, Libya, Syria and Venezuela now it's being ginned up for Iran.
it's only a few left wing progressives and a few Libertarians, Libertarian republicans, Paleo-Republicans (and even some "alt right") that are consistently against these BS immoral unconstitutional wars and other self destructive & murderous "military actions".

but yeah, for the rank and file party faithful it seems all you have to have is their favorite politicians and pundents promote it and it's A-OK.
Wave the flag for the rightwingers and say how "they" want to kill us and some are ready to nuke whole countries.
Tell folks on the left that it's "humanitarian" to stop the so called slaughters and oppression of some bad ol meany and they are onboard to do it.

laws, constitution, evidence, cost, American lives, pfft faggitaboutit
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It doesn't take multiple aircraft carrier groups and 120,00 ground troops to defend oil tankers,
multiple aircraft carrier groups 120,000 ground troops is for an full blown invasion. not protection of a shipping lane.

Let me guess. A gun with five bullets max?

Have you ever heard of a show of force?
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Default Re: The best way to avert war with iran? Fire john bolton | opinio

The best way to prevent war is to demonstrate to your adversaries that you have overwhelming force and the resolve to employ it in the face of aggression.

Iran is and has been a bad actor in this region and needs to understand that their shenanigans will not be tolerated any longer. Unlike the last administration that looked to appease out enemies, this President is not afraid to put the option of force on the table when diplomacy fails.
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