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Old 03-11-2019, 06:57 PM
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Why should it be the job of the US to police the world? If propping up a country incapable of securing its own defense is so vital, why aren't other countries providing as much aid to Israel as we are?



The paragraph above is from page 2 of this source: https://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf

Most of our aid to Israel is military, but why have we also been providing economic assistance and loan guarantees? Why do we continue to do this when we have a deficit in our own country? It makes no sense to keep funding another country in such a large amount for over half a century, with no end in sight.
The Israelis did quite well in 1967 without USA government help.

Perhaps you are not old enough to remember. I know cause I was involved at the JCCA helping with donations and supplies.

Our relationship with Israel is not a "prop up." Hardly, since our military benefits from their innovations as well. We send millionbs to nations who's government hate us. Israel is not one of those nations,,,,yet.
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In spite of the provocative title, I agree with the body of this piece. I've never understood why we give so much to a country that does little, if anything, for us. Often people give Biblical reasons for our costly support of Israel, but since we don't live in a theocracy, the religious arguments are irrelevant. (BTW I'd like to see ALL foreign aid stopped, not just that for Israel.) When our country was founded, sending billions to other countries by taxing citizens here wasn't part of the Constitution and shouldn't be permitted now.



GRR, the URL appeared in the title here instead of the actual title Israel is Not America's Ally, so could someone fix it? It won't let me edit the title.
I believe we should protect them if they are threatened but not when they are the aggressor.
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What's NOT pointed out is that there is a requirement that ALL US assistance to Israel MUST be in the form of equipment from US companies...
per US tax dollars.
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per US tax dollars.
Yes, and I read today that the vast amount of foreign aid for Israel goes to US defense contractors, who have way too much influence on our elected officials.
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In spite of the provocative title, I agree with the body of this piece. I've never understood why we give so much to a country that does little, if anything, for us. Often people give Biblical reasons for our costly support of Israel, but since we don't live in a theocracy, the religious arguments are irrelevant. (BTW I'd like to see ALL foreign aid stopped, not just that for Israel.) When our country was founded, sending billions to other countries by taxing citizens here wasn't part of the Constitution and shouldn't be permitted now.
the religious arguments aren't irrelevant to religious people.
and many religious people vote.
Sending aid to other countries isn't unconstitutional, but it sure isn't mandatory.
especially when our finances and infrastructure are so out of wack.
But Israel is just one of many countries that get an oddly large amount of various kinds of aid.
and the friendship does seem to to be VERY one-sided.

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It's simple really, without our support Israel doesn't exist. The only country in the middle east that allows religious freedom, women's rights, etc. would be wiped off the map.
Even if they help us as nothing more than a staging area the next time we have to wipe out some genocidal terrorist regime over there (there will be a next time) it's money well spent. Of course they have done much more than that.
Some say Israel isn't our ally, I say they are our only ally in that part of the world.
Personally i do not believe for a moment that without the U.S. that Israel would "cease to exist".
i'm not sure if people make statement like that becasue of their HIGH view of the U.S. in the world.. or becasue of an over hyped view of the military might of middle eastern countries. or becasue of unrealistic LOW view of Israel's defense forces. whatever the case the statement makes no sense.
At this point Israel alone, could take out every other country in the middle east at once without breaking much of a sweat.
they DO have nukes, and some of the best tech and military on the planet.
Like Switzerland, no one really wants to mess with them.

wiped off the earth? Not hardly, it'd take an act of God.

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This isn't "policing the world", this is preventing a nation and its people from being annihilated. If you don't see a difference between those two things or can't see why we should prevent the annihilation of a nation and it's people, I'm not sure how to continue this discussion.
wouldn't Policing the world Include "preventing a nation and its people from being annihilated."
I'm not sure what distinction you're trying to make here. That IS policing.

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While I agree in principle with what you're saying, if we don't take the fight to the enemy, the enemy will bring the fight to us. We tried a hands off approach in 1940 to let Europe and Asia iron out their differences. It didn't go well.
So we know that if we DON'T police the world Europe and Asia will fall to depots again?
how do we know this? and how is it that the U.S. manages to never turn imperialist (cough) without nations policing us? the logic only works if you assume that U.S. is so virtuous and no other countries are capable of positive self rule without us. does that seem a bit pretentious?

And add to that one little mentioned fact about WWII and the rise of all of the despotic fascist. The fact that many U.S. companies and banks openly and covertly financed and supplied the fascist imperial regimes early on and some even throughout the war.
So the overall U.S. role in WWII is a bit more complex than just sitting by and watching Europe and Asia turn to crap.
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