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Old 02-05-2019, 04:27 PM
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Renegade Republicans determined to eject President Trump from the White House in 2020 share a commitment to the cause but are split on strategy and realistic about their long-shot prospects.

Former John McCain aides, members of Evan McMullin's independent 2016 presidential campaign, disgruntled neocons, and establishment GOPers — the only thing they agree on is a loathing of Trump.

No primary challenger has yet come forward. John Kasich, former Ohio governor, has said he couldn't beat Trump. Jeff Flake, who stepped down as a senator for Arizona when it became clear he would be beaten by pro-Trump forces in his primary, has taken himself out of the running.

The brightest hope right now is Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan, who last year became the first Republican governor to be re-elected in the deep-blue state, with a 13-point margin.

Mostly based in Washington, the "Never Trump" crowd comes in roughly three factions. First is those convinced fielding a primary challenger is the most viable game plan. Second is those inclined to back an independent candidate. A third group advocates for a unifying center-left Democrat — similar to the sort of centrist who captured suburban Republican voters in the midterm elections.

But the blocs are friendly, with some key operatives moving back and forth between them and willing to back whichever approach emerges as the most feasible. Meetings often hosted by Niskanen Center, a conservative think tank that has positioned itself as a headquarters for Republicans opposed to Trump.

Veteran Republican consultant Mike Murphy is among them. “I’m talking to some ‘Never Trumpers’ about an alert-effort to make sure Republican regulars are paying the attention they ought to, so that they start thinking pragmatically about a wipeout in 2020 and what we ought to do about it,” Murphy told the Washington Examiner.

Murphy advised the late Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., when he ran for president in 2000 and oversaw former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush's super PAC when he sought the White House four years ago. He recognizes the difficulty of battling an incumbent or party favorite who enjoys the broad support of Republican voters.

So Murphy is breaking with some of his colleagues and eschewing the top-down strategy that relies on finding a primary challenger first. Instead, he is pursuing what he dubs a “Paul Revere Project." The blueprint calls for consistent, strategic communications that target the approximately 10,000-13,000 GOP activists that populate the state and local branches of the party nationwide with information about Trump’s unique political vulnerabilities. If grassroots unrest can be fomented from the ground up, Murphy believes conditions for a viable primary challenge might develop.

Defending Democracy Together, a group run by conservative journalist Bill Kristol, believes there already exists an appetite among GOP voters for a change atop the party, if only a strong candidate would exploit it. The group, armed with polling and focus group data it commissioned specifically for this pitch, has held discussions with Hogan and, it claims, other potentially interested prominent Republicans it is declining to name.

Compared to others in the GOP diaspora, Kristol and his deputy, Republican operative Sarah Longwell, 38, sound notably optimistic. They believe Trump could be fatally wounded in a Republican primary and reject the premise, shared by many of their compatriots, that the fight might be futile. Defending Democracy says it is promoting a primary challenge on principle, arguing the best way to steer the GOP away from Trump is to change it from within.

“With a political party, the change should come from the inside,” Longwell said. “I want there to be a viable, responsible Republican governing party. We are making the case for that one way or the other.”

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Talking about his book Everything Trump Touches Dies, Wilson, who was a top strategist for McMullin, recalled how Pat Buchanan's 1992 primary challenge fatally wounded President George H.W. Bush, who went on to lose the general election to Bill Clinton.

"WiIl there be a primary challenger against him [Trump]? I think there will be. I don't know who it is yet and I don't know how successful they'll be. But if it's anyone, it starts the bleed. It's one of the many thousand cuts."
I didn't know this was a thing.
I'm kind of proud though.
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Don't get your hopes up girlie. Trump has solid support from his base which has not changed more than a point or two either way since the summer of 2016.

The chances for impeachment are higher than this little pimped charade up by the media.
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Don't get your hopes up girlie. Trump has solid support from his base which has not changed more than a point or two either way since the summer of 2016.

The chances for impeachment are higher than this little pimped charade up by the media.
This media is a conservative paper. Sometimes it tells things y'all like, sometimes not. I think it's called reporting.
56% say they will vote for someone other than Trump. These several and various players just wanna make sure that's not a Democrat.
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This media is a conservative paper. Sometimes it tells things y'all like, sometimes not. I think it's called reporting.
56% say they will vote for someone other than Trump. These several and various players just wanna make sure that's not a Democrat.
This article was about GOP operatives of the party. I saw no reference in the article to his base. You know the Hoi Polloi who live and work and vote in this nation.

In 2020, when the last call comes at the GOP convention, these detracting dogs will be sitting on the sidelines licking their genitals.
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This article was about GOP operatives of the party. I saw no reference in the article to his base. You know the Hoi Polloi who live and work and vote in this nation.

In 2020, when the last call comes at the GOP convention, these detracting dogs will be sitting on the sidelines licking their genitals.
his base is about 33% or less at this point. maybe worse
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his base is about 33% or less at this point. maybe worse
33% of what population?

Where did you get that number and in what context?

Please, I suggest you stop believing your own lies.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...years-ago.html
Rassmussen has him near 50%

Right now, Trump's loyal base is at least 45% of the nation. This article is about the GOP party. The GOP garners less than 35% of the country. So simple math suggests that he has likely more than a majority of Republicans and will win the GOP nomination in 2020. Although critics claim it has waned a bit he currently still holds favor with 85% favor of the GOP faithful.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...licans-1061846


As for the national election in 2020, that is a whole nuther matter.
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33% of what population?

Where did you get that number and in what context?

Please, I suggest you stop believing your own lies.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...years-ago.html
Rassmussen has him near 50%

Right now, Trump's loyal base is at least 45% of the nation. This article is about the GOP party. The GOP garners less than 35% of the country. So simple math suggests that he has likely more than a majority of Republicans and will win the GOP nomination in 2020. Although critics claim it has waned a bit he currently still holds favor with 85% favor of the GOP faithful.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...licans-1061846


As for the national election in 2020, that is a whole nuther matter.
the number of Americans who identify with a party has been on the decline. Republicans represent a smaller portion of the population than either Democrats or independents( although many independents may lean toward the GOP).

while a big percentage of trump voters don't regret it, a unified anti trump vote will boot him out I think.
there is no hillary's emails this time
even if there were something like that it's been played before and voters will see through it to the chaos trump has inflicted.
my opinion of course

dissatisfied republicans, libs and consv dems and independents mostly want him gone
they think he is a traitor or a ding bat tool
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This article was about GOP operatives of the party. I saw no reference in the article to his base. You know the Hoi Polloi who live and work and vote in this nation.

In 2020, when the last call comes at the GOP convention, these detracting dogs will be sitting on the sidelines licking their genitals.
Well said.

It is instructive to see the motley collection of never Trumpers driven by resentment over being marginalized by Trump's success.

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Veteran Republican consultant Mike Murphy is among them. “I’m talking to some ‘Never Trumpers’ about an alert-effort to make sure Republican regulars are paying the attention they ought to, so that they start thinking pragmatically about a wipeout in 2020 and what we ought to do about it,” Murphy told the Washington Examiner.

Murphy advised the late Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., when he ran for president in 2000 and oversaw former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush's super PAC when he sought the White House four years ago.
A failed political consultant seeks to revive his career and fatten his wallet not by leading a successful campaign but by sabotaging a successful one. Guess he couldn't follow failed campaign consultant Steve Schmidt to the CNN hate fest.
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the number of Americans who identify with a party has been on the decline. Republicans represent a smaller portion of the population than either Democrats or independents( although many independents may lean toward the GOP).

while a big percentage of trump voters don't regret it, a unified anti trump vote will boot him out I think.
there is no hillary's emails this time
even if there were something like that it's been played before and voters will see through it to the chaos trump has inflicted.
my opinion of course

dissatisfied republicans, libs and consv dems and independents mostly want him gone
they think he is a traitor or a ding bat tool
You didn't answer my question. Ya' can't.
So, now you're just peeing on a flat rock & hoping.
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Reminds me of PUMA...

'Party Unity, My Ass' - what the Pumas really stand for

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Hillary Clinton supporters who still refuse to accept that the nomination race is over have given themselves a name, Pumas, and a logo that the in-house lawyers at the Puma sportswear brand might like to take a look at. In the network of blogs where the name originated, it stood for "Party Unity, My Ass!" - a defiant shout of opposition to the notion that they should fall silent in order to speed the healing of Democratic wounds. Now that the Pumas have formed their own fundraising committee, however, they seem to have had a change of heart. According to their site, Pumapac.org, Puma stands for "People United Means Action", an exactly opposite sentiment, prompting the thought that if they don't iron out such inconsistencies in their message very soon indeed, there's a serious chance that Clinton might not be the next president.
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