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Old 01-09-2019, 06:03 PM
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the last wall money wasn't spent on a wall. what happened to that money?
You'll need to ask a previous administration.
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Old 01-09-2019, 06:25 PM
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You'll need to ask a previous administration.
dont even try that bs on me. obama didnt ask congress for a wall and you know it
even shilzes are right once in awhile:

More border security and patrols under Obama than previous presidents,

The number of border patrol agents increased dramatically between fiscal years 1993 and Sept. 30, 2012. (So did spending.) Nationwide, the peak year was in 2011 with 21,444 agents -- the number dropped slightly to 21,394 in fiscal year 2012.

Douglas Massey, a professor at Princeton University's Office of Population Research who has studied immigration issues, previously told PolitiFact that the total number of agents is a record going back to at least 1924.

The biggest bump in Border Patrol staffing came under Obama’s predecessor, President George W. Bush. Between 2001 and 2009, the number of agents posted nationally rose from about 9,800 to a little more than 20,000.

...The Secure Fence Act of 2006, passed by a Republican-led Congress and was signed by Bush. It authorized the construction of hundreds of miles of additional fencing along the border with Mexico and called for adding unmanned aerial vehicles, satellites, radar and cameras. The fenced segments totaled roughly 650-700 miles, while the entire U.S.-Mexican border is about 2,000 miles long. Obama, an Illinois senator at the time, voted for the law.

The act specified "at least two layers of reinforced fencing," but in 2007 the law was altered to give the Border Patrol leeway to decide the type of fencing. By the time Obama became president in January 2009, much of the fence was completed -- but not of the type originally planned.

In February 2011, a GAO report about the border presented a mixed picture of progress.

The report states that between fiscal years 2005 and 2010, the number of border miles that had fences increased from about 120 to 649. A preliminary analysis of border miles under control showed 15 percent were "controlled" while the rest were "managed" and left vulnerabilities to illegal activity.

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Obama signed a bill in 2010 in response to increased violence in Mexico that included $600 million in supplemental funds for enhanced border protection. Separately, an additional 1,200 National Guard troops were authorized for the the border.

Fencing isn’t the only way the federal government has attempted to manage the border. The Secure Border Initiative launched in 2005 with the intention to combine fencing with technological tools such as cameras, sensors and radar, according to a paper from the Migration Policy Institute. Boeing won a contract and received about $860 million from the federal government.

But it quickly ran into technical difficulties, cost overruns and delays, which have been criticized in numerous Government Accountability Office reports. Under the Obama administration, the program was canceled in January 2011, and the Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano ordered that the government should focus on using proven technologies, such as video and mobile surveillance and thermal imaging.

Under Obama, border apprehensions have fallen from their high points. Border apprehensions peaked at almost 1.7 million in 2000 under President Clinton, and apprehensions in 2011 were at the lowest level since 1970. The post-2008 declines are due to the recession and loss of jobs which had attracted unauthorized immigrants. Net illegal immigration from Mexico has fallen to zero or even fewer coming than leaving.
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The taxpayers did not want ObamaCare, either...
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Not even close. The reality of that situation was demonstrated repeatedly on this forum.

If you polled for public opinion on the contents of Obamacare, the public repeatedly showed support for those elements.
Slap the name of "Obamacare" on the poll (at that time) and the approval would drop.

It would be like me trying to show a poll that showed America disapproved of "Trump's wall", but then ignore the fact that numerous other polls showed support for "a border wall between Mexico and the U.S."

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Not even close. The reality of that situation was demonstrated repeatedly on this forum.

If you polled for public opinion on the contents of Obamacare, the public repeatedly showed support for those elements.
Slap the name of "Obamacare" on the poll (at that time) and the approval would drop.

It would be like me trying to show a poll that showed America disapproved of "Trump's wall", but then ignore the fact that numerous other polls showed support for "a border wall between Mexico and the U.S."

Of course people want "free stuff". What they don't want is having to pay for it.
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Of course people want "free stuff". What they don't want is having to pay for it.
"free stuff"...
So Obamacare was "free" now?
People didn't have a requirement to pay for the insurance?
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The taxpayers did not want ObamaCare, either...

Liberalism = Surveys when its to their advantage..."F**k 'em!" when its not...
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Not even close. The reality of that situation was demonstrated repeatedly on this forum.

If you polled for public opinion on the contents of Obamacare, the public repeatedly showed support for those elements.
Slap the name of "Obamacare" on the poll (at that time) and the approval would drop.
Uhhhh...

Except the poll I mentioned did NOT use the term "ObamaCare"...

Here' the question verbatum...



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dont even try that bs on me. obama didnt ask congress for a wall and you know it
even shilzes are right once in awhile:
Your reading comprehension needs some work. I said to ask A previous administration, not THE previous administration and you post only about Obama.
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The whole "keep the government shutdown" riff is disconnected with the real world impact of the move...
In late 2017, analysts projected a government shutdown would cost the U.S. economy $6.5 billion per week. Standard & Poor's came up with the estimate in a report titled, "With a U.S. Government Shutdown, There Will Be Blood."

On top of the direct costs of stopping and restarting government programs, lost productivity and reimbursing furloughed federal workers, S&P noted the ripple effects would tear into private sector spending, earnings and job creation. The timing, about one week before the end of the fourth quarter, created another nightmare scenario. Investors would be rattled and the economy would not have enough time to bounce back before the end of the fourth quarter and the result was projected to be a 0.2 percent quarterly loss of GDP.
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$6.5 billion per week.

Trump wants $5.7 billion for his wall down payment.

IOW his shutdown (He publicly said he would take the blame for it.) is costing the economy much more than the money he is never going to get. Meanwhile, 800,000 federal employees are entering their fourth week without pay. 420,000 of them are still required to show up.

Which chapter of Art of the Deal do we need to read in order to understand this?
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"free stuff"...
So Obamacare was "free" now?
People didn't have a requirement to pay for the insurance?
That's the way it was sold to people dumb enough to believe it.
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That's the way it was sold to people dumb enough to believe it.
No it wasn't. The "free stuff" term was used as a term of derision by conservatives.
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