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Old 01-23-2019, 06:25 PM
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Trump is never going to be allowed to fulfill his campaign promise to build a wall between the US and Mexico because it's a stupid idea and a huge waste of limited funding.

On the other hand Pelosi and Schumer are focused in improving border security and to do that they're open to funding the Border Patrol's request for additional fencing in a few defined strategic locations along the US-Mexico border. Schumer and Pelosi have never stated that they're opposed to funding projects that experts, like those in the Border Patrol, agree will increase border security.

So it is correct that Pelosi and Schumer won't fund "Trump's Wall" because it's not backed up by experts, including the Border Patrol, that see Trump's "Wall" as a waste of money that can be used for real border security. (Yes, I can provide a quote from the head of the Border Patrol union that backs this up if you want but if you go back in this thread you'll find it).

Additional security provided by a "wall" (additional fencing) will be the "Border Patrol's Wall" in those limited strategic locations where it can actually improve border security for the United States. Pelosi and Schumer will both back the recommendations by the Border Patrol.
Border patrol? You mean like the head of the border patrol?

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President Trump's proposed border wall will help federal agencies secure the U.S.-Mexico border, according to Carla Provost, the newly announced chief of U.S. border patrol.

"Most certainly, it already assists my men and women," Provost told Hill.TV's Buck Sexton on Wednesday.

"We already have many miles, over 600 miles of barrier along the border. I have been in locations where there was no barrier, and then I was there when we put it up. It certainly helps. It's not a be all end all. It's a part of a system. We need the technology, we need that infrastructure," she added in the interview that aired Thursday.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/hilltv/rising/401054-incoming-border-patrol-chief-border-wall-most-certainly-will-assist-securing %3famp

Building border fencing in the San Diego sector slashed illegal crossings by over 90% but hey unnamed open borders loving "experts" agree the wall won't work.
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Border patrol? You mean like the head of the border patrol?



https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/hilltv/rising/401054-incoming-border-patrol-chief-border-wall-most-certainly-will-assist-securing %3famp

Building border fencing in the San Diego sector slashed illegal crossings by over 90% but hey unnamed open borders loving "experts" agree the wall won't work.
no they don't agree. There is fencing. More is needed. Just not 2,000 miles of it.
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no they don't agree. There is fencing. More is needed. Just not 2,000 miles of it.
The $5.7 billion the President wants in this appropriation won't build 2,000 miles of the wall or fencing, nowhere close. The claim is a strawman for the Resistance to mindlessly oppose Trump no matter the facts or the damage from their campaign of hate.

Nancy Pelosi childishly insisted on interrupting the border patrol as they attempted to make a presentation explaining the need for the additional border security. Instead, she invokes emotion laden claims of immorality in a ridiculous attempt to justify opposing the border barriers she and other Democrat leaders formerly endorsed in an attempt to placate the far Left radicals ascendant in the party.
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It was interesting to read this.

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Give Trump a part of his shiny new wall. Democrats will control the House for the next two years and can deny him any more wall funding for the rest of his term.
The Democrats could do that to a limited extent. The Border Patrol in San Diego that already has something like 30 miles of fencing from the 2006 authorization but they're asking for more fencing.

They want five more miles of fencing in addition to what they already have and then they want more electronic surveillance equipment to monitor the mountains that provide a natural barrier against illegal border crossing.

Would Trump accept a resolution that provides $7.5 million (Army Corps of Engineers estimate of $1.5 million per mile for fence construction) instead of his demand for $5.7 billion to build 230 miles of fencing/wall in areas where the Border Patrol isn't requesting more fencing?

Yes, the Border Patrol may want some additional fencing in Arizona, New Mexico and Texas but they need to submit a request to Congress for that additional fencing. From what I've read the Border Patrol is far more interested in additional manpower and electronic surveillance equipment than they are in more border fencing (the argument Democrats are making).

If the issue was about Border Security there wouldn't be a government shutdown right now. The issue isn't about border security because Trump doesn't actually care about border security. Trump cares about the "wall" because his radical racist base wants a wall to keep "those damn Mexicans out of the United States."
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The $5.7 billion the President wants in this appropriation won't build 2,000 miles of the wall or fencing, nowhere close. The claim is a strawman for the Resistance to mindlessly oppose Trump no matter the facts or the damage from their campaign of hate.

Nancy Pelosi childishly insisted on interrupting the border patrol as they attempted to make a presentation explaining the need for the additional border security. Instead, she invokes emotion laden claims of immorality in a ridiculous attempt to justify opposing the border barriers she and other Democrat leaders formerly endorsed in an attempt to placate the far Left radicals ascendant in the party.
That's true. $5.7 billion won't build 2,000 miles of border wall or fencing but it will build walls and fencing where the Border Patrol would rather be using electronic surveillance equipment because it's effective in those areas and a wall isn't. Above all other additional measures the Border Patrol wants more boots on the ground. Boots on the ground will prevent far more illegal border crossings than a wall/fence without the boots on the ground to provide the security. Without the "boots" the wall/fence isn't even a barrier that would slow down the unlawful entry of those wanting to enter the United States.

As we also know the unlawful entry into the United States can be dramatically cut while actually reducing the costs by having refugees seeking asylum processed at a US port of entry in a timely manner. Over 100,000 "illegal" border crossings in the last year were refugees with children that wanted to immediately turn themselves in to apply for asylum. These were refugees that were not allowed to apply for asylum at a US port of entry and the backlog of those waiting to be processed has soared into the many thousands under Trump.

We can provide better border security and dramatically reduce the number of illegal border crossings by simply fallowing the Refugee Act of 1980 and our current immigration laws that grant asylum to refugees arriving at a US port of entry. The "Trump crisis" never existed before because prior administrations processed the refugee applications in a timely manner.
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There is fencing. More is needed. Just not 2,000 miles of it.
Are you sincerely misinformed? Or just being disingenuous?

The idea that President Trump wants a continuous wall from western California to eastern Texas is simply ludicrous.

I can scarcely believe that you think that this is what the argument is all about.
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Anyone who opposes the wall is most likely connected to what it stops. Sex trafficking, Drugs or cheap labor, human trafficking.

Or voter fraud counts.
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