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Old 12-25-2018, 12:24 AM
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Default Re: Apparently Jim Mattis wasn't on board with Trump's Syria withdrawal after all

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Hey Salt,
I'm not sure why you keep missing the fact that Trump's action is not a "shocking" surprise.

CNN: Wed APRIL 4, 2018
Trump will keep troops in Syria for short-term, but wants exit soon
Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump has told his national security team that he is willing to keep American forces in Syria in the short-term, but made it known he wants US troops to exit soon in a meeting on Tuesday, a senior administration official told CNN.
Trump has said publicly that he's ready to withdraw troops from Syria, but his top military commanders have argued the battle against ISIS is not yet complete.
"The military mission to eradicate ISIS in Syria is coming to a rapid end, with ISIS being almost completely destroyed," a statement from White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said on Wednesday. "The United States and our partners remain committed to eliminating the small ISIS presence in Syria that our forces have not already eradicated. "We will continue to consult with our allies and friends regarding future plans," the statement said. "We expect countries in the region and beyond, plus the United Nations, to work toward peace and ensure that ISIS never re-emerges."
Trump said during the session on Tuesday that he wants to defeat ISIS but that the costs of stabilizing Syria must be borne by regional players.
CNN reported earlier that Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats said in a breakfast with reporters that a decision was made Tuesday at the White House over whether to withdraw from Syria.
In the meeting with his national security team, Trump maintained his position that US troops should soon leave Syria, and told the assembled advisers that he was firm in his commitment to withdrawing American forces, according to the senior administration official.
At the same time, he acknowledged that US troops would need to remain in the country as plans for withdrawal are made and as the battle against ISIS continues.
He told the military leaders present to begin making plans for withdrawal, though he didn't advise them on how long that planning should take.
The advisers told Trump that ISIS isn't fully defeated in Syria, and he acknowledged that US troops would need to remain in the country for at least some time longer.
But he wasn't deterred from his position that US troops must leave soon.
Trump surprised military leaders last week when he said the US would "be coming out of Syria like very soon," just hours after the Pentagon highlighted the need for US troops to remain in the country for the immediate future.
Senior administration officials have been discussing for some time the way ahead in Syria and what conditions would need to be met to permit a US withdrawal, a US defense official directly familiar with the ISIS campaign told CNN last week, but added that while Trump could decide at any time to pull out, military commanders were not recommending that course of action at this time.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/04/polit...dministration/
Yes, the military leaders and advisors did not agree with him. then or now. They NEVER seem to think the job is done.
but he made it clear it would happen and happen "soon".
He told everyone In APRIL.

and this is a weird comparison to make but JFKs advisors wanted JFK to be far more aggressive with Cuba and Russia. But surprise surprise. he's the president and has control of the Arm forces ... AFTER forces are legally engaged.
You call Trump a dictator here, why? It's in his constitutional authority to command the armed forces. AFTER congress has authorized actions.
Is the president legally obligated to take the advise of "the generals" and advisors or something Salt? Are the Advisors always right. Is continued war ALWAYS the right decision?
When would you Advise we should to leave Syria.. 5 years? 10 years? Never?
It's fine to say you don't agree with the way he did it.
It's fine for Mattis not to agree with it... and quit... if he feels like American troops should be killed and maimed in Syria for 10+ years or that we should invade Syria and overthrow Assad, or be in proxy/full on war with Russia.
Maybe Mattis should run for president on those ideas and you'll vote for him.
But personally I'm VERY glad that Trump is getting us the H-Out of there.
Saving troops lives and pain, Saving U.S. dollars from going down a rat hole, and stopping the pretense of being able to control the world.

there is a process
. you don't just pull out in the dead of night nor do you announce any type of pull out w/o consulting several people. our allies and the pentagon and congressional committed should not have found out the same time as our enemies.
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Old 12-25-2018, 12:28 AM
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Default Re: Apparently Jim Mattis wasn't on board with Trump's Syria withdrawal after all

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Salt, Hairy is welcome here. So are you. However, given your posts over the last 18 months, I have to wonder who is paying you to spout such garbage.
I have been something of a non conformist all my life. What I like to go with is the truth not the wash rinse and repeat Americans seem to like with fashion, fads and their politics.
Bear that in mind when you judge me.
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Old 12-25-2018, 05:55 AM
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Default Re: Apparently Jim Mattis wasn't on board with Trump's Syria withdrawal after all

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there is a process
. you don't just pull out in the dead of night nor do you announce any type of pull out w/o consulting several people. our allies and the pentagon and congressional committed should not have found out the same time as our enemies.
What "process"?
he started that "process" in APRIL!!! and before.
But Is there a legal process? what was the process in Viet Nam? and the other illegal wars we've been in? Trump didn't consult anyone much more when he BOMBED Syrian Airport. and the MSM and many left and right were PRAISING Trump for that illegal act. But he wants to STOP an illegal war and folks are shocked and upset?! And are Frustrated that Trump didn't have some kind of proper "process"? Sheesh


But here's something that I think A lot of folks are missing here. It seems to me that MOST of the people below Trump, Tillerson, Mattis on down, thought they could convince him to stay INDEFINITELY instead of "short term" as he clearly told them. And THEY had plans for LONG TERM millitary presence rather than letting our allies really get prepped for a soon withdrawal.

Also the MSM seems surprised, and is acting like they didn't know about it, but he told the Allies and the MSM In APRIL... and BEFORE. I suspect that most Americans haven't thought about Syria since the Campaign or the Bombing and gas attacks, Many were probably not even aware that we had troops there AT ALL!. (especially since the 24 Russia/Stormydaniels BS news is all that's on)
So it's a surprise to most Americans that the MSM is trying to play on.

Don't get played here Salt.
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