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I went to high school in a high-security fortress. You don’t want that for your kids.
Upping security at schools makes students paranoid and miserable; it doesn’t make them safe.
...The day after the massacre in Colorado, I went to class like it was a normal day. I didn’t know it yet, but my classmates and I wouldn’t end up finishing up the academic year. Days after the shooting, a series of bomb threats would cause a wave of panic throughout the city, leading to multiple school evacuations and, eventually, administrators shutting down the entire district. The schools reopened for the last few weeks of the semester, but kids didn’t go back to class.

High school already sucks. Believe me when I tell you that a massive uptick in security makes it worse.

When we returned to school in August, this time to a brand new multimillion-dollar campus, things were different. Teachers ran metal detectors at the entrance. Armed police officers roamed the halls, which were outfitted with security cameras. Teachers and cops stopped kids at random and searched their bags; there were no lockers, and kids had to wear mesh or clear backpacks so they couldn’t smuggle in guns or drugs. School didn’t feel safe; it felt like a guarded fortress.

Almost 20 years later, it feels like history is repeating itself. After the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School this February reignited the debate around gun control and school safety, some politicians are using the same logic as my school district did: Just outfit schools with cops, cameras, and metal detectors, and everything will go away.

President Donald Trump wants to arm teachers — and a school district in northern Georgia has moved forward with plans to do just that. Florida Gov. Rick Scott’s proposed plan for making schools safer involves more cops in schools, metal detectors, and bulletproof glass. In March, he signed into law a smaller version of that plan, which raises the age requirements to buy firearms in the state, sets aside funds for mental health counseling, and allows trained social workers to carry guns in public schools. The STOP School Violence Act of 2018 — which has bipartisan support and proposes distributing $50 million in federal grant money for public schools to hire more cops, among other things — is working its way through congress. The bill includes the use of “evidence-based strategies and programs to prevent violence,” and indicates those strategies should include the use of “appropriate technologies,” such as metal detectors.

The conversation has intensified since a shooting at Sante Fe High School in Texas claimed 10 lives on May 18. “There are too many entrances and too many exits to our over 8,000 campuses,” Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick said during a press conference after the shooting. “There aren’t enough people to put a guard at every entrance and exit… Maybe we need to look at limiting the entrances and exits into our schools.” In a follow-up interview, he blamed school shootings on violent video games and advocated for arming teachers.

Trust me. It won’t work. High school already sucks. Believe me when I tell you that a massive uptick in security makes it worse

Moving forward, there would be a new tip line students could call to anonymously report threats of suspicious activity. Additionally, administrators announced the would begin enforcing the dress code more strictly. We weren’t allowed to wear all-black clothing anymore. T-shirts for artists such as Marilyn Manson were banned. Trench coats were out.

One brave student raised her hand. “If the Columbine shooters had been wearing Abercrombie & Fitch, would you be banning that?”

“If the shooters had been wearing Abercrombie & Fitch, this wouldn’t have happened,” the administrator replied. It was late April, 1999, and adults were terrified of teenagers, especially ones who wore black trench coats, listened to Slayer, or played the video game Doom.

“It was clear to me that a certain group of people were being targeted for what seemed to be no real reason,” Jennifer Boccia, another student, told The Outline. She kept quiet during the assembly, but privately planned a protest with 10 other students. In response to the Allen Independent School District’s (AISD) new and overbearing policies, Boccia and her fellow protesters would wear a plain black armband to school.....
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https://theoutline.com/post/4739/all...=1&zi=4kwnqpaz
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Total bullcrap...

Most school shootings, if not all, happen in the utterly ridiculous "Gun Free Zones"...

...and the display of power isn't for the students to "feel" safe...

They're there as a DETERRENT...When a crazy student wants to go off, he's already shown that he won't get far...

That doesn't happen in schools where the only defenses are butterflies and unicorns...
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sucks?
So does the airport security since 9 11.
A lot of things in life suck. The kids are going to learn that sooner or later. They may as well learn it sooner.
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Total bullcrap...

Most school shootings, if not all, happen in the utterly ridiculous "Gun Free Zones"...

...and the display of power isn't for the students to "feel" safe...

They're there as a DETERRENT...When a crazy student wants to go off, he's already shown that he won't get far...

That doesn't happen in schools where the only defenses are butterflies and unicorns...
the articles not advocating "Gun free Zones"


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Who cares if it So does the airport security since 9 11.
A lot of things in life suck. The kids are going to learn that sooner or later. They may as well learn it sooner.
Airport security is BS security theater as well.
and just 17 years ago the airports ... LIFE... DIDn't suck in that way.
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Total bullcrap...

Most school shootings, if not all, happen in the utterly ridiculous "Gun Free Zones"...

...and the display of power isn't for the students to "feel" safe...

They're there as a DETERRENT...When a crazy student wants to go off, he's already shown that he won't get far...

That doesn't happen in schools where the only defenses are butterflies and unicorns...
I doubt the truth in that. Texas has certainly had its share and most killers dont read warning signs.
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Pesticide poisoning and ADDHD (redundant?) may have more to do with school shooting than anything discussed recently. ANd lack of a full time at-home parent.
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the articles not advocating "Gun free Zones".
It's certainly implied cionsidering he tries to scare the public with the alternative (actial security)...

Besides, the author (Matthew Gault) is a Leftwing writer for Liberal sites, Medium, , Defiant, War Is Boring, Vice & The Daily Beast...He's not some random student...He's WRITER (and "film maker) with an agenda...

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Considering his occupation and bias, I believe MAYBE 4% of the OP's article is from his actual experiences...
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It's certainly implied cionsidering he tries to scare the public with the alternative (actial security)...

Besides, the author (Matthew Gault) is a Leftwing writer for Liberal sites, Medium, , Defiant, War Is Boring, Vice & The Daily Beast...He's not some random student...He's WRITER (and "film maker) with an agenda...

Some of his other "articles"?...

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The Worst Assault Rifle Accessory of All Time

Considering his occupation and bias, I believe MAYBE 4% of the OP's article is from his actual experiences...
seems you've read a lot into it.
and 4%? that pretty funny., how can you even make a guess? seriously your comment says more about you bias than his in this case Cnredd.


seems to me that mainly he's describing the breath of the problem.
and that putting students in a prison camp to "protect" them makes it worse.
seems the only real options he suggest is the mental health route.
But h seems somewhat realistic in that he seems to understand that there no such thing as perfect security.

the whole piece, while leaning left, seems to be more realistic in it's outlook than the "ban guns" protesters.
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When I got the the line stating that "high school sucks", I quit reading. This appears to be a leftist with an agenda. I know that high school is not a great experience for all, but most people generally agree that it was a great time in their life.

As to the notion that a heavily fortified school sucking, that is the price that will need to be paid if we want to keep these kids safe. There are no alternatives. It has been demonstrated that simply posting a "gun free zone" sign does nothing to deter psychotic people from walking into a building and slaughtering innocent people. The only way to prevent this is to fortify the building with armed personnel. I find it curious that we have no problem locking down our government buildings to protect politicians and judges, but balk at the idea to doing the same for our children.

Unfortunately we now live in a society where kids are desensitized to murder. We could get into the reasons for that, but that is for another thread. But as long as we live in this environment, we have a choice to protect our kids or to leave them vulnerable to these mass shootings. And if that means we have to lock down our schools, that so be it.
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if you stopped reading then you don't know what he said. He's NOT talking about GUN Free zones.
sheesh.

Why is everyone just making up a leftist straw man to complain about here.

One of the main take away from the article is that the high security prison camp model of high school doesn't work either.
Again the ONLY thing he seemed to suggest, with some frustration, is more physiological work and better, more closely knit communities.

The bulk of the article seems to make Ben Franklin's point of "giving up liberty for security leave you neither."

and kids aren't any worse now in fact there less violence overall than when we were kids.
with all the HYPE about school shooting and the gun protest the OVERALL trend in gun violence is often overlooks.
the truth is there's been a real DECLINE in overall gun violence since the 1970s. that in real numbers and in proportion to the growing population.
that is MORE Students but Fewer gun crime and death.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...tes-heres-why/
(not a fan of all the reasons they assert as the "causes" for the decline but the numbers are what i'm pointing out.
and overall the numbers are LOWER.
the same goes for Terrorism.
It's the gov't and media that Love to Hype the DANGERS.
It makes for more eyeballs on the news and more political options to "save us"/control us.
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