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Old 04-10-2018, 11:06 PM
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This was something I was thinking about last week...

I was researching a different topic and I was led to a link where Trump was going to fire Mueller....and then another link...and then another...and another...

...but this time for realsies!!!!...

It reminded me of the "Oh hellz yeah Bush is gonna attack Iran!!!" articles that were mounting at the end of his term...Complete bullsh*t...

Does The Media Want Trump To Fire Mueller?

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It’d be the story of a lifetime. Today’s national political correspondents were too young for Watergate. They’ll never have a Saturday Night Massacre or a constitutional crisis or a GOP torn in two by the president’s increasingly reckless and imperious attempts to obstruct justice … unless Trump fires Mueller. If he does, they get to write the first draft of history on one of two great sagas. If Washington rallies to Mueller’s defense, it’s the story of how American institutions rose up to resist the cynical charismatic populist who thought the rules didn’t apply to him. If Washington splits, with Republicans rallying to Trump’s defense, it’s the story of Night Falling On America. Great stuff either way. Juicy!

But there’s more to it. It’s a cliche by now that Trump’s presidency feels like a reality show gone off the rails but what doesn’t get noticed as much is how seduced the media has been by the theatrical aspects of it. The president’s thinking is of interest in any administration, but during a ho-hum presidency most of the action is on policy. What is the White House doing abroad? What legislation is it preparing to push domestically? With Trump it feels like exponentially larger amounts of coverage are devoted to his mindset or just his mood, not only in terms of Russiagate but vis-a-vis his advisors, foreign leaders — pretty much everything except policy, which features only occasionally. A classic example from Axios, which loves this genre of reporting:
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Sources close to the president say that a political dispute with special counsel Robert Mueller has turned visceral and personal after the feds’ raid on the New York offices of Michael Cohen, Trump’s personal lawyer and fixer…

Until now, when storms hit, Trump could turn to Hope Hicks to explain things to him, suggest wording, simmer him down. With her departure from the White House, we saw the president working out his fury in real time.

The source continued: “This is the first crisis post-Hope Hicks. … This was different: I’ve never seen him like this before. … This is the president you’re going to see more of from here on out: unvarnished, untethered.”
That’s from Mike Allen, who used to write Politico’s ultra-insidery Playbook feature, so go figure that he’s focused on the president’s personality (especially a day after the Cohen raid). But it’s not just Allen. Maggie Haberman, the NYT’s star White House reporter, regularly chimes in on Twitter with updates about the president’s mood. Other journos frequently tweet dispatches from sources relaying how angry POTUS is at this or that, which cabinet member he’s been trash-talking that day to confidants, details of blow-ups with John Kelly, yadda yadda.

In fairness, Trump makes that sort of analysis irresistible in certain ways. He is in fact a loose cannon, far less predictable than any other president in my lifetime. His White House leaks like a sieve and he seems to feel no compunction about chattering about his aides to his friends, who reliably convey his thoughts to reporters for the next “who’s up, who’s down” feature. It’s an orgy of gossip. Meanwhile, he shares his inner thoughts to a degree none of his predecessors did by popping off on Twitter every day. And he’s a natural-born showman who seems to relish personal conflict, the key ingredient for all good drama — with Kelly, Sessions, Rosenstein, Priebus, Bannon, McMaster, Shulkin, and of course Mueller. This is high drama and he’s the protagonist. Of course the media’s going to spend much of its time parsing what the protagonist is thinking and why.

And so what would be more dramatic than a confrontation between the hero/antihero and the Inspector Javert who keeps haunting him? This show has to be building to something. We’re not about to do a string of boring “episodes” in which the hero tries to negotiate trade policy with China. Firing Mueller would be the fulfillment of Trump’s defining personality traits — hubristic, reckless, authoritarian, shady as hell. It has to happen. Character is destiny.
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Old 04-11-2018, 06:10 AM
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The media has become (over the last decade or two) the driving force of popular 'opinion' (telling people what to think).

'If we can get enough people to believe what we want them to think, then we can make it a done deal.'

Self fulfilling 'prophecy'. The oil industry did it with prices, I don't see any reason why the media can't do it also.
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What to do after Mueller's so-called investigation into collusion has been exposed as a witch hunt? Why, speculate on Trump firing Rothstein/Mueller/Sessions then report on the speculation as news. Anything to avoid reporting on policy debate.
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My eye caught this one statement.

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What is the White House doing abroad? What legislation is it preparing to push domestically? With Trump it feels like exponentially larger amounts of coverage are devoted to his mindset or just his mood, not only in terms of Russiagate but vis-a-vis his advisors, foreign leaders — pretty much everything except policy, which features only occasionally.
The reason that so little relates to policy in the media is because Trump doesn' really have a policy that can be discussed. All Trump offers are ranting tweets most of which really don't make any sense. For example there isn't a Trump "policy" on Syria. He's threatening Russia today potentially a precursor to a war with Russia like he's threatened North Korea with war but Trump doesn't really have a policy.

Back to the issue of Trump firing Mueller the press is extensively covering it because Trump doesn't have the authority to fire Mueller. Trump didn't hire Mueller and Trump only has the authority to fire people he hires to work in the government. If Trump "fires Mueller" he will be basically be requiring the Congress to impeach him and remove him from office because no greater evidence of obstruction of justice will exist.

Nixon didn't fire special prosecutor Cox but did order the Cox firing and Nixon was forced to resign because he was going to be impeached and removed from office.

Trump has a more serious problem than the Mueller investigation right now. His attorney, Michael Cohen, just has search warrants executed by the Southern District of New York to seize his records that included documents recording discussions between Cohen and Trump. Obtaining a search warrant for the personal attorney of the President is unprecedented and it literally requires compelling evidence of a criminal act and not simply "probable cause" to obtain the warrant. The application for the warrant must have the highest levels of DOJ approval where, in this case Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, had to be literally convinced that Cohen and Trump were involved in a criminal act (that isn't covered by attorney-client privilege).

We know this is unrelated to the Russia-Trump campaign investigation by Robert Mueller because Mueller uncovered the evidence of the crime, took it to Rosenstein because it was outside the scope of Mueller's investigation, and Rosenstein assigned the investigation (and prosecution) to the office of the US Attorney for Southern New York.

Trump's now threatening to fire Mueller (that he can't lawfully do and that had nothing to do with the search warrant for Cohen) and Deputy AG Rosenstein (a Republican Trump appointee that's apparently been convinced Trump and Cohen have violated to law by signing the application for the search warrant) and either or both of these actions would clearly be obstruction of justice to avoid his own prosecution for violating our laws.

It's been pointed out that Trump was following the story of Cohen on Fox News and that instead he should have been talking with his lawyers about the implications of the search warrant. The problem is that Trump doesn't have a top white collar legal team to provide him with advice and to represent him. Leading his legal team is Jay Sekulow – a lawyer specializing in First Amendment and religious freedom cases, and basically no lawyers on his team with criminal experience. With the warrants and investigation of his personal attorney Michael Cohen he loses Cohen because of a conflict of interest (Cohen can't represent Trump when Cohen's own defense can be at odds with the best interests of Donald Trump).

While the exact nature of the investigation of Michael Cohen hasn't been revealed experts believe it's probably related to the Stormy Daniels NDA and payment that could involve bank fraud, wire fraud, and election campaign finance violations that are cited on the warrant.

Cohen was unlikely to tell his bank that he was borrowing $130,000 on his home to make a payment to a porn star that he claims was making a false allegation of a sexual relationship with Trump (Bank Fraud). Cohen was unlikely to tell the bank that the money transfer of $130,000 was to pay off a porn star. If the payment was to keep Stormy Daniels from releasing her story to the press right before the election then it could be considered an unreported campaign contribution (campaign finance violation). If the DOJ has evidence the Donald Trump was aware of any of this it makes Trump and accomplice to the criminal acts committed by Cohen.

Also of note is that Stormy Daniels is cooperating with the prosecutors so there seems to be linkage between the federal search warrants and her lawsuit against Cohen and Trump.

So ironically Trump may be impeached and removed from office because of a criminal conspiracy between Cohen and Trump in covering up his extramarital affair(s) and not because of other criminal conduct like obstruction of justice if he was to fire Mueller after firing Comey because of the Russia investigation.
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The media wants Trump impeached.If they think firing Muller will do the job then they will support it.
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Never forget, the media thrives on blood in the water.
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Never forget, the media thrives on blood in the water.
I don't think that is true anymore.I am not sure if it really was every true. Its mostly just trying to manipulate the public into supporting or opposing an issue or politician. Because when the presidential election was going the media didn't care about Clinton's pass misdeeds or what she said or the lies she just flat out told.But they were on Trump like a fat kid is on some Twinkies.The media also didn't really care about Obama's scandals. Anytime there is a mass shooting they air the story for weeks to make it look it something that happens all the time 24/7 and give a soap box to anti-2nd amendment trash. But anytime someone uses a gun to stop a criminal the story is given a token mention or just flat out ignored.
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I don't think that is true anymore.I am not sure if it really was every true. Its mostly just trying to manipulate the public into supporting or opposing an issue or politician. Because when the presidential election was going the media didn't care about Clinton's pass misdeeds or what she said or the lies she just flat out told.But they were on Trump like a fat kid is on some Twinkies.The media also didn't really care about Obama's scandals. Anytime there is a mass shooting they air the story for weeks to make it look it something that happens all the time 24/7 and give a soap box to anti-2nd amendment trash. But anytime someone uses a gun to stop a criminal the story is given a token mention or just flat out ignored.
"If it bleeds, It leads. If it doesn't bleed, beat on it until it does."

You're talking about Bias. I'm talking about sensational headlines. They are not the same thing but, they are hardly mutually exclusive.

Firing Mueller is akin to a war between Departments of the Executive branch. There will be blood. Firing Mueller IS blood in the water.

Beating on Trump until he bleeds is the current modus operandi. Beating on the Obama or the Clintons is verboten.

To a point I get what you are saying.

The mass shooting stories are supposed to show concern for children. But then the media and the left goes to court so it doesn't have to show or explain what's in the sinks at Planned Parenthood. Both are bloody. One meets the criteria
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But they don't have to chum it first...
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