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It is clear that Russia, under Vladimir Putin--unlike Russia under his predecessors, Boris Yeltsin and Mikhail Gorbachev--is the enemy of the West; and of America, in particular.

So I am not entirely comfortable with President Trump's congratulating Vladimir Putin on the latter's re-election win--especially since that "election" was truly a sham.

Yet I cannot help but wonder just where the leftist critics of this action were in 2012, when then-President Obama did exactly the same thing.

I do believe that the actions of both presidents were wrongheaded.

But those who gave Barack Obama a pass, while lambasting Donald Trump over exactly the same thing, are showing a bit of inconsistency--and partisan bias...
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Donald Trump, Angela Merkel congratulate Vladimir Putin on his election win

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President Donald Trump congratulated Vladimir Putin on his re-election, a week after the United States took a harder stance toward Russia, and said they would likely meet soon to discuss the arms race and crises in Ukraine, Syria and North Korea.

Putin won a landslide victory in Sunday's presidential election, extending his rule over the world's largest country for another six years at a time when his ties with the West are on a hostile trajectory.

The President's call on Tuesday (Wednesday AEDT) followed similar congratulatory messages to the Russian president from German Chancellor Angela Merkel, French President Emmanuel Macron and the EU Commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, who wrote that "Our common objective should be to re-establish a cooperative pan-European security order . . . I hope that you will use your fourth term in office to pursue this goal."
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Everyone is a Putin puppet!!!!!!!!...
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...anyway-n858651

So either he didn't read the briefing, or he needed to show a little fealty after being pressured by the media to condemn the Russian chemical weapon attack in the UK.
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In 2012, U.S. President Obama called Russian President Putin and congratulated him.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pr...utin-2012-win/

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“President Obama called Russian President-elect and Prime Minister Putin to congratulate him on his recent victory in the Russian Presidential election,” the White House said in a late Friday afternoon statement (read: news dump) about the Friday morning phone call between the two leaders.
It's not uncommon for world leaders to do this sort of thing.
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In 2012, U.S. President Obama called Russian President Putin and congratulated him.

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It's not uncommon for world leaders to do this sort of thing.
I used SNOPES for my source but there are 100's out there.
At the time, Putin hadn't launched a chemical attack against our closest ally, or hacked our Electrical Grid, or hacked our airports, or you know meddled in our election.

But yah, totally the same thing.

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At the time, Putin hadn't launched a chemical attack against our closest ally, or hacked our Electrical Grid, or hacked our airports, or you know meddled in our election.

But yah, totally the same thing.

At the time of Obama's congratulations Putin had gobbled up parts of the Ukraine and Georgia, continued to support the Syrian dictator and Iranian terrorist sponsors. As for meddling in our elections, even Obama's hyperpartisan CIA director, John Brennan, recognized that Russia has conducted campaign's to influence elections in Western countries since WW II ended.

Obama not only mocked Romey' s warning that Russia was the top geopolitical threat to the US, he sent quiet reassurances to Putin of more "flexibility" after the US election.

Of course to Resistance zealots tangible proof of Obama's perpetrating US foreign policy to appease Putin is dismissed. The new cold warriors simply repeat their Russian collusion fantasy like automatons giving Putin's campaign to undermine confidence in the US election far more impact than he could have dreamed possible.
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In 2012, U.S. President Obama called Russian President Putin and congratulated him.

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It's not uncommon for world leaders to do this sort of thing.
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True.

This dovetails with what I noted in paragraphs three and five in my post, in the OP.

But I would still rather that President Trump had not followed this custom--especially considering that it was clearly a rigged "election."

Yet the double standard of the left is certainly glaring here...
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It is clear that Russia, under Vladimir Putin--unlike Russia under his predecessors, Boris Yeltsin and Mikhail Gorbachev--is the enemy of the West; and of America, in particular.

So I am not entirely comfortable with President Trump's congratulating Vladimir Putin on the latter's re-election win--especially since that "election" was truly a sham.

Yet I cannot help but wonder just where the leftist critics of this action were in 2012, when then-President Obama did exactly the same thing.

I do believe that the actions of both presidents were wrongheaded.

But those who gave Barack Obama a pass, while lambasting Donald Trump over exactly the same thing, are showing a bit of inconsistency--and partisan bias...

The difference is Putin has meddled in USA elections and been spying right here in our country n top official offices. Plus recent condemnation of his assassinations.

Once we hoed for the best and maybe he couldn't see a foothold. Now he seemed emboldened. I don't feel as safe with Trump that is for sure.
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The difference is Putin has meddled in USA elections and been spying right here in our country n top official offices. Plus recent condemnation of his assassinations.

Once we hoed for the best and maybe he couldn't see a foothold. Now he seemed emboldened. I don't feel as safe with Trump that is for sure.
The standard for feeling safe was a President who directly promised Putin more flexibility and a Secretary of State who promised we'd "reset" relations with the Russians after they gobbled up parts of the Ukraine and Georgia.

The election interference by Russia took place under Obama's Presidency. He knew about the ongoing meddling but did nothing to stop it. Putin rightly concluded there was nothing to worry about with a President Obama who mocked the suggestion that Russia was a top geopolitical threat.
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So either he didn't read the briefing, or he needed to show a little fealty after being pressured by the media to condemn the Russian chemical weapon attack in the UK.
I don't think President Trump spends a lot of time worrying about being pressured by the media.
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