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Based upon the DNC manipulating the Democrat primary (as evidenced by WikiLeaks) to remove Bernie Sanders, I'd say that the U.S. elections are rigged also.
I find it amazing that the DNC, the MSM, the FBI and the DOJ have ignored what happened during the Democrat primary.
Bernie lost by 3 million or so votes. That is what happened during the primary.
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You are correct. However, it is not illegal for a party to determine how it selects it's candidates. There are no laws that even mandate that the parties have to have a primary. If they wanted, they could just get together in a room and pick one; they used to do that very thing.

What it does however is point out the blatant hypocrisy of the left claiming that Trump and the Russians rigged the general election while ignoring the fact that they did nothing but put on a dog and pony show during the primaries to disguise the coronation of pantsuit by the party elite.
Your cognitive dissonance is amazing. In one breath you admit that the DNC is allowed to choose its candidate however it wants, and then with the other you argue that the Democrats are being hypocritical when complaining of tRUmp accepting Russian help in order to cheat and win the general election, which is illegal.

You really should remove Thomas Paine from your avatar, you have no common sense.
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Putin didn't personally do it, but hey, wise up a bit. The Russians and the USA have both been doing those things for years.
The hacking has probably only been the past 25 years or so since computers became mainstream. Chemical/Poisoning has been going on for over 2000 years. Meddling in elections has been going on for as long as elections have existed.
The US has been meddling in other country's elections (including Russia's) for longer than either you and I have been alive. It's part of what countries do. Don't be obtuse.
Since when do conservatives repeat Russian propaganda? I've been hearing the same theme lately all across conservative media. In reality when you use this 'whataboutism' all you are actually doing is diverting blame and muddying the waters.

I happen to believe that American Ideals and Western Democracy are better than what Soviet Russia represented and what Putin's Mafia Oligarchy Represents now. If your suggestion is that we should just do nothing, retreat and appease murderous tyrants because "its what countries do", then you I think are the one being obtuse.

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The standard for feeling safe was a President who directly promised Putin more flexibility and a Secretary of State who promised we'd "reset" relations with the Russians after they gobbled up parts of the Ukraine and Georgia.

The election interference by Russia took place under Obama's Presidency. He knew about the ongoing meddling but did nothing to stop it. Putin rightly concluded there was nothing to worry about with a President Obama who mocked the suggestion that Russia was a top geopolitical threat.
When he was given strong info he passed it on to trump who did nothing. Obama also warned him there was recent bad Intel on Flynn. Trump hired him anyway.

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... President Obama who mocked the suggestion that Russia was a top geopolitical threat.
You know who didn't mock that assessment?

Hillary Clinton.



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I don't think President Trump spends a lot of time worrying about being pressured by the media.
He worries about his "ratings." eyes

He still thinks he's a reality tv star. And...he kinda is

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THIS!!!

There is a big difference between having differing opinions with the President on policy and openly having hatred for the person no matter what he does. You hit it right on the head. THAT is what Russia wants, regardless of who is the sitting President.
In that case Vlad should have loved Barack.

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But the US meddles for the same reason the Russians did...To create chaos...

The goal is not to have a specific candidate win, but to upset the establishment apple cart...
Used to be a good (us) vs evil (commies) thing. Those waters have been clouded lately though. ..

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Based upon the DNC manipulating the Democrat primary (as evidenced by WikiLeaks) to remove Bernie Sanders, I'd say that the U.S. elections are rigged also.
I find it amazing that the DNC, the MSM, the FBI and the DOJ have ignored what happened during the Democrat primary.
Who the hell ignored this?Donald mutha f trump that's the only breathing humanoid on the planet who ignored this or the other melding Russia did.

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When he was given strong info he passed it on to trump who did nothing. Obama also warned him there was recent bad Intel on Flynn. Trump hired him anyway.

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Obama also expelled Russian spies ( I mean diplomats ), and passed sanctions. All while the conservatives on this board were whining and complaining that what Obama was doing was terrible and the meanest thing ever and defending the Russians.

Its also when tRUmp ( I mean Flynn ) secretly called up the Russians and told them not to worry about it, because they'd just reverse any punishments that Obama was doing.

tRUmp Republicans have zero ability to remember what happened past last Sunday when it proves their Fox news talking points wrong. They are a herd of sheep that get their marching orders from the talk shows and Fox & Friends every morning and then come out into the world and bleet the bull**** into everyone else's faces.

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