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This is turnin' out to be a gigantic scandal that's fallin' apart like Challenger.

Did Hillary Clinton pull off the dirtiest dirty trick in US presidential history?

For law enforcement, Congress and even journalists, exposing misdeeds is like peeling an onion. Each layer you remove gets you closer to the truth.

So it is with the scandalous behavior of the FBI during its probe into whether President Trump’s campaign conspired with Russia in 2016. One layer at a time, we’re learning how flawed and dirty that probe was.

A top layer involves the texts between FBI lawyer Lisa Page and her married lover, Peter Strzok, the lead agent on the Hillary Clinton e-mail probe. They casually mention an “insurance policy” in the event Trump won the election and a plan for Strzok to go easy on Clinton because she probably would be their next boss.

Those exchanges, seen in the light of subsequent events, lead to a reasonable conclusion that the fix was in among then-Director James Comey’s team to hurt Trump and help Clinton.

Another layer involves the declassified House memo, which indicates the FBI and Justice Department depended heavily on the unverified Russian dossier about Trump to get a warrant to spy on Carter Page, an American citizen and briefly a Trump adviser.

The House memo also reveals that Comey and others withheld from the secret surveillance court key partisan facts that would have cast doubt on the dossier. Officials never revealed to the judges that the document was paid for by Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee or that Christopher Steele, the former British spy who compiled the dossier, said he was “desperate that Donald Trump not get elected.”

A third layer of the onion involves the revelations in the letter GOP Sens. Charles Grassley and Lindsey Graham wrote to the Justice Department. They urge a criminal investigation into whether Steele lied to the FBI about how much and when he fed the dossier to the anti-Trump media.

The letter is compelling in showing that Steele said one thing under oath to a British court and something different to the FBI. The contradictions matter because the agency relied on Steele’s credibility in both the FISA applications and its actual investigation. Strangely, even after it fired him for breaking its rule forbidding media contact, the FBI continued to praise his credibility in court.

If that were all the senators’ letter accomplished, it would be enough. But it does much more.

It also reveals that two former journalists linked to Clinton, separately identified as the odious Sidney Blumenthal and a man named Cody Shearer, created and gave a State Department official additional unverified allegations against Trump.

The official passed those documents to Steele, who passed them to the FBI, which reportedly saw them as further evidence that Trump worked with Russians. But as Grassley, head of the Judiciary Committee, and Graham write, “It is troubling enough that the Clinton Campaign funded Mr. Steele’s work, but that these Clinton associates were contemporaneously feeding Mr. Steele allegations raises additional concerns about his credibility.”

The State Department official involved in the episode, Jonathan Winer, wrote an Op-Ed in the Washington Post Friday in which he confessed to the senators’ chronology while offering a benign description of his motives. Winer also admitted he shared all the unverified allegations from the Clinton hitmen with other State Department officials.

There are many more layers of the onion to peel, but here’s where we are now: It increasingly appears that the Clinton machine was the secret, original source of virtually all the allegations about Trump and Russia that led to the FBI investigation.

In addition, the campaign and its associates, including Steele, were behind the explosion of anonymously sourced media reports during the fall of 2016 about that investigation.

Thus, the Democratic nominee paid for and created allegations against her Republican opponent, gave them to law enforcement, then tipped friendly media to the investigation. And it is almost certain FBI agents supporting Clinton were among the anonymous sources.

In fact, the Clinton connections are so fundamental that there probably would not have been an FBI investigation without her involvement.


That makes hers a brazen work of political genius — and perhaps the dirtiest dirty trick ever played in presidential history. Following her manipulation of the party operation to thwart Bernie Sanders in the primary, Clinton is revealed as relentlessly ruthless in her quest to be president.

The only thing that went wrong is that she lost the election. And based on what we know now, her claims about Trump were false.

Of the charges against four men brought by special counsel Robert Mueller, none involves helping Russia interfere with the election.

And neither the FBI nor Mueller has vouched for the truthfulness of the Blumenthal and Shearer claims or the Steele dossier. *Instead, the dossier faces defamation lawsuits in the US and England from several people named in it.

In fairness, one person besides Steele has been cited as justification for the FBI probe. George Papadopoulos, a bit but ambitious player in the Trump orbit, met with a professor in Europe early in 2016 who told him the Kremlin had Clinton’s private e-mails.

In May 2016, Papadopoulos told the story to an Australian diplomat and two months later, in July, the Australian government alerted the FBI.

However, a full timeline convincingly points to Steele as the initial spark. He was hired by a Clinton contractor in June of 2016, and filed his first allegations against Trump on June 20. Two weeks later, on July 5, he met with an FBI agent in London, The Washington Post reported, and filed three more allegations that month, including one about Carter Page.

At any rate, it is certain that Steele and other Clinton operators provided all the allegations about Trump himself that the FBI started with and that Mueller inherited.

For Clinton, creating a cloud over Trump’s presidency and helping to put the nation through continuing turmoil is a victory of sorts. America is fortunate it’s her only victory.

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Mueller's special counsel cannot win a criminal indictment unless they find a crime. In search of one during the 2016 campaigns, they focused on Trump whilst Mueller himself had personal knowledge of Hilary's crimes.

"It is not a crime to talk to a Russian. Not that the media would ever understand that. They have never managed to point to a single statute that makes “colluding” with a foreign government in a political campaign a crime, likely because it does not exist in the criminal codes.
Jarrett then turned his attention to Corrupt Hillary –
It is against the law for the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee to funnel millions of dollars to a British spy and to Russian sources in order to obtain the infamous and discredited Trump “dossier.” The Federal Election Campaign Act (52 USC 30101) prohibits foreign nationals and governments from giving or receiving money in U.S. campaigns. It also prohibits the filing of false or misleading campaign reports to hide the true purpose of the money (52 USC 30121). This is what Clinton and the DNC appear to have done."



And yet the "special counsel" is hot on the Russian/Collusion/election case. But not on the criminals who committed actual CRIMES
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You guys just won't let Hillary go. Having failed yet again to "get" her on anything between Benghazi and BUTHEREMAILS!!, OP's article concocts an absurd conspiracy as to explain why their umpteenth attempt at turning their Clinton obsession into something criminal fell flat on its face when the facts are laid bare. It immediately falls apart when anyone not loving under a rock can point out that the allegedly pro-Hillary, anti-Trump FBI is the -surprise- the very same Republican-led FBI that started the initial Clinton server investigation during her run for president Oh and they're the same FBI that re-opened the look into her emails at an extremely short time before the election. Hell, in spite of alleged pro-Clinton leanings amongst some key officials, if we're to believe that, the FBI still did its job and Strzok still helped write the letter, recommending another look at the emails in Hillary's server.

Also that memo Nunes released wasnt the bombshell some believe to be. It didnt really prove any sort of serious anti-Trump bias, and it admitted that Papadopoulos was that one that triggered the FBI counterintel op on Russian election interference, not Page or the dossier. Same guy who pled guilty to lying to FBI and gave information to the special council.

She really does live rent-free in conservatives' heads. Nation's electoral integrity was under assault by a foreign power, and here we are with a ridiculous conspiracy theory about how it was really Hillary and the FBI that tried to rig the election. Except that every real major move hurt her or at best not helped, and none of the secret stuff the conspiracy nuts alleged helped either.

So short answer to the question in the thread title: No.
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You guys just won't let Hillary go. Having failed yet again to "get" her on anything between Benghazi and BUTHEREMAILS!!, OP's article concocts an absurd conspiracy as to explain why their umpteenth attempt at turning their Clinton obsession into something criminal fell flat on its face when the facts are laid bare. It immediately falls apart when anyone not loving under a rock can point out that the allegedly pro-Hillary, anti-Trump FBI is the -surprise- the very same Republican-led FBI that started the initial Clinton server investigation during her run for president Oh and they're the same FBI that re-opened the look into her emails at an extremely short time before the election. Hell, in spite of alleged pro-Clinton leanings amongst some key officials, if we're to believe that, the FBI still did its job and Strzok still helped write the letter, recommending another look at the emails in Hillary's server.

Also that memo Nunes released wasnt the bombshell some believe to be. It didnt really prove any sort of serious anti-Trump bias, and it admitted that Papadopoulos was that one that triggered the FBI counterintel op on Russian election interference, not Page or the dossier. Same guy who pled guilty to lying to FBI and gave information to the special council.

She really does live rent-free in conservatives' heads. Nation's electoral integrity was under assault by a foreign power, and here we are with a ridiculous conspiracy theory about how it was really Hillary and the FBI that tried to rig the election. Except that every real major move hurt her or at best not helped, and none of the secret stuff the conspiracy nuts alleged helped either.

So short answer to the question in the thread title: No.
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You guys just won't let Hillary go. Having failed yet again to "get" her on anything between Benghazi and BUTHEREMAILS!!
Because everything we get comes in drips and drabs...

We didn't find out Clinton (and the DNC) paid for the Steele dossier until almost a year after the election (and a year after the media was wailing how important and erection-inducing it was)...

It was less than a week ago when the public found out Sidney Blumenthal and Cody Shearer were the source of the "second" dossier, and we also learned they were feeding Steele stuff to put in his...

With Clinton, we NEVER get the full story...We end up with snippets and dots...

...also, it helps when the FBI covers for ya...
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You guys just won't let Hillary go. Having failed yet again to "get" her on anything between Benghazi and BUTHEREMAILS!!, OP's article concocts an absurd conspiracy as to explain why their umpteenth attempt at turning their Clinton obsession into something criminal fell flat on its face when the facts are laid bare. It immediately falls apart when anyone not loving under a rock can point out that the allegedly pro-Hillary, anti-Trump FBI is the -surprise- the very same Republican-led FBI that started the initial Clinton server investigation during her run for president Oh and they're the same FBI that re-opened the look into her emails at an extremely short time before the election. Hell, in spite of alleged pro-Clinton leanings amongst some key officials, if we're to believe that, the FBI still did its job and Strzok still helped write the letter, recommending another look at the emails in Hillary's server.

Also that memo Nunes released wasnt the bombshell some believe to be. It didnt really prove any sort of serious anti-Trump bias, and it admitted that Papadopoulos was that one that triggered the FBI counterintel op on Russian election interference, not Page or the dossier. Same guy who pled guilty to lying to FBI and gave information to the special council.

She really does live rent-free in conservatives' heads. Nation's electoral integrity was under assault by a foreign power, and here we are with a ridiculous conspiracy theory about how it was really Hillary and the FBI that tried to rig the election. Except that every real major move hurt her or at best not helped, and none of the secret stuff the conspiracy nuts alleged helped either.

So short answer to the question in the thread title: No.
We haven't failed to get her on anything. WE have, in fact, found enough to put away the average citizen who would have tried to pull off the crimes Hillary and the Clintons have committed. If "Clinton" was an Italian name the Clinton Foundation would be akin to the Mafia and treated as such.

You may recall that even the Mafia was hard to lasso to the ground because of their 'connections" to law enforcement. Everybody knew they were criminals breaking the law with impunity. But law enforcement wasn't doing a thing about it but lip service. And neither were most local and state governments. "In the pocket" was the operative phrase.

Politicians especially those who benefitted from their connections, were not about to condemn them or end up dead. Even the media was often on their defense sometimes even pointing out they how supported charities, community projects, and the church.

The Clintons are no different.


Now do you get the picture????
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Using Steele's product to obtain a FISA warrant is crazy, but evidently it's true. And now we know who paid for it and who contributed to the narrative; Blumenthal and Shearer via well placed hacks in the State Dept. as confessed by Mr. Winer. To facilitate the passing of info by this disreputable duo (even by Dem. standards ) is a big deal.
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Previous to this latest scandal, Teapot Dome, Watergate, and perhaps Monica Lewinski were the three biggest scandals of our Presidents. Bribery, Obstruction of Justice and Sexual misconduct respectively were the "crimes" for which administrations were brought down. But never in our history did such Presidential scandals include the DOJ, the FBI, the State Department along with what now appears to be the executive office of the POTUS in interfering with proper adherence to the law of the land.

Never was it so entrenched with partisan "Deep State" participants including elected members of Congress and career bureaucrats.

The slime of Bill Clinton, to whom Hilary clung and defended beyond belief at the expense of the rights of many of his victims ( women who will never recover from their ordeal) is the pool in which she has bathed since the Nixon years. They are cut from the same rancid cloth. And deserve each other. But not the considerations of our nation other than the due process of a courtroom.

The court of public opinion is at best mob vigilante justice. It swings with our national mood. That's how the Clintons got to where they are. Remember, Bonnie and Clyde were also considered heroes by the public and the press.

It's time for the application of reallaw enforcement.....;
But first.


We must, unfortunately, rebuild our law enforcement departments back to within it's constitutional parameters. That means the FBI and the DOJ must go back to enforcing laws as written to insure confidence and order, instead of the selective application of laws to effect change.

And remind our courts that their mission is to insure the continuity of equal application of justice according to the Constitution they are supposed to uphold and defend.

Until then The Clintons, and their allies, will be free to continue their acquisition of wealth and fame. Remember, banks will take the money whether it is soiled in sweat, blood, or slime.
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Was Clinton attack dog Sidney Blumenthal involved in launch of Russia collusion investigation?

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A name long associated with the Clinton machine has surfaced as a behind-the-scenes figure in the Trump-Russia collusion story, prompting some to speculate that the investigation began at least partly as a dirty tricks operation.

Sidney Blumenthal, a Clinton loyalist from the days of Bill Clinton’s presidency up through Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaigns, was identified by Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., as a source of anti-Trump information passed to the FBI through the State Department. The information is believed to have played a role in the FBI’s launching of the collusion probe that is now in the hands of Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

Blumenthal has long been known as an attack dog for the Clintons, so ferocious a defender that he earned the nickname “Sid Vicious.” As Dick Morris, former adviser to the Clintons (although he has since become a critic) puts it, “If [Bill Clinton] is caught shoplifting for the tenth time, Hillary would have Sidney blame the store’s cameras.”
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Uranium One informant says Moscow paid millions in bid to influence Clinton

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An FBI informant involved in the controversial Uranium One deal has told congressional committees that Moscow paid millions to a U.S. lobbying firm in a bid to influence then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton by helping former President Bill Clinton’s charities during the Obama administration.

The Hill first reported late Wednesday that informant Douglas Campbell gave a 10-page statement to the Senate Judiciary Committee, House Intelligence Committee and House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, and was interviewed for several hours behind closed doors by committee staff.

In the statement, obtained by Fox News, Campbell said Russian executives told him that Moscow was hiring APCO Worldwide in an effort to influence the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton.

Former Utah congressman Jason Chaffetz weighs in on what it may mean to the investigation.Video

Campbell said Russian nuclear officials “told me at various times that they expected APCO to apply a portion of the $3 million annual lobbying fee it was receiving from the Russians to provide in-kind support for the Clinton’s Global Initiative.”

“The contract called for four payments of $750,000 over twelve months,” Campbell said in the statement. “APCO was expected to give assistance free of charge to the Clinton Global Initiative as part of their effort to create a favorable environment to ensure the Obama administration made affirmative decisions on everything from Uranium One to the US-Russia Civilian Nuclear Cooperation agreement.”
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