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Old 02-16-2018, 11:55 AM
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If a woman makes aggressive sexual advances on a woman, the man is not supposed to complain. That's not how women "created" the situation.
Why should he be involved? I would think that would be between the two women. If the other woman doesn't like it, she absolutely should complain. But women don't need men to fix all of their problems.

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It's how our locker room mentality has impacted society.

What's to stop a man from complaining about a woman who makes inappropriate sexual advances?
The fact that he will be ridiculed. There absolutely IS a double standard for such things.

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Do the corporate laws dictate that it's okay for the woman to make sexual advances in the work-place but not for the women?
Huh?
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Old 02-16-2018, 12:22 PM
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We have not been talking about sexual assault, we have been talking about the stupid stuff that has been happening lately.
And that's part of my point.
You fixate on something that is relatively rare in comparison to more serious crap like what I am pointing out...

And for comparison, if a liberal were to be talking about employer / employee wages, the typical conservative reply would be that if the person is not employed with that company then it's none of their business.
It's between employee and employer to figure out.

For firing, it's often pointed out that it's the employer's discretion to fire.

But for this situation, it doesn't get the same treatment does it...


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Stuff that we could ALL be excused of at some point in our life. Even you and Red State. I'm sure at some point in your life you have made a female (or male) feel uncomfortable.
You've fixated on the sexual assault statistic in my post and ignored everything else.
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Old 02-16-2018, 12:33 PM
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Why should he be involved? I would think that would be between the two women. If the other woman doesn't like it, she absolutely should complain.
I don't think you understand what I'm talking about.

Hypothetical people. Jack and Jill.
If Jill makes sexual advances on Jack and Jack does not want those sexual advances, society's general outlook is that Jack should either put up with it or gladly accept it. If he raises objections to others, he's seen as weak. Many would say that he should just accept and take advantage of Jill's offer.
If Jack makes sexual advances on Jill and Jill does not want those sexual advances, society has a different outlook and it's acceptable for Jill to raise the situation up and seek help changing the situation.

Society denigrates the man's complaint.


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But women don't need men to fix all of their problems.
That's not quite the point.
It's more that:
a) Society recognizes that there are some problem situations which need assistance for women
b) Reverse the gender roles and suddenly the man is expected to handle it himself.


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The fact that he will be ridiculed. There absolutely IS a double standard for such things.
And that double standard is part of the reason why women are "allowed" (for lack of a better word) to engage in flirting and other behavior which a man would be called out for...


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Huh?
foundit66: Do the corporate laws dictate that it's okay for the woman to make sexual advances in the work-place but not for the women?

The corporation rules are habitually gender neutral.
Nothing says "If a man does this it's wrong, but if a woman does the same thing it's okay."

Thus, complaints about how "A woman can do ___" but a man cannot have a reasoning that often rests in societal treatment of the situation.
On paper, if a man complains a woman making unwanted sexual advances, the same outcome should occur as when a woman were to complain about unwanted sexual advances.
It's society's different treatment between the man and the woman which explains why the two are seen / treated differently.
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I don't think you understand what I'm talking about.

Hypothetical people. Jack and Jill.
If Jill makes sexual advances on Jack and Jack does not want those sexual advances, society's general outlook is that Jack should either put up with it or gladly accept it. If he raises objections to others, he's seen as weak. Many would say that he should just accept and take advantage of Jill's offer.
If Jack makes sexual advances on Jill and Jill does not want those sexual advances, society has a different outlook and it's acceptable for Jill to raise the situation up and seek help changing the situation.

Society denigrates the man's complaint.



That's not quite the point.
It's more that:
a) Society recognizes that there are some problem situations which need assistance for women
b) Reverse the gender roles and suddenly the man is expected to handle it himself.
Except that's not what I was talking about. You explicitly said, "If a woman makes aggressive sexual advances on a woman" and seemed to indicate that it was a man's responsibility to deal with it. From your response, I believe this was a typo.

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And that double standard is part of the reason why women are "allowed" (for lack of a better word) to engage in flirting and other behavior which a man would be called out for...



foundit66: Do the corporate laws dictate that it's okay for the woman to make sexual advances in the work-place but not for the women?
OK for a woman but not for women.

This is what lost me. Initially, I thought you were in some way saying that it's OK for the individual but not the group? Which is why I asked, "HUH". I just didn't get it. I'm again going to assume a typo after your additional explanation.

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The corporation rules are habitually gender neutral.
Nothing says "If a man does this it's wrong, but if a woman does the same thing it's okay."

Thus, complaints about how "A woman can do ___" but a man cannot have a reasoning that often rests in societal treatment of the situation.
On paper, if a man complains a woman making unwanted sexual advances, the same outcome should occur as when a woman were to complain about unwanted sexual advances.
It's society's different treatment between the man and the woman which explains why the two are seen / treated differently.
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Except that's not what I was talking about. You explicitly said, "If a woman makes aggressive sexual advances on a woman" and seemed to indicate that it was a man's responsibility to deal with it. From your response, I believe this was a typo.
Yeah. That was my typo.


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OK for a woman but not for women.
This is what lost me. Initially, I thought you were in some way saying that it's OK for the individual but not the group? Which is why I asked, "HUH". I just didn't get it. I'm again going to assume a typo after your additional explanation.
You got it.
Now I get what you were pointing out.
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RedState is correct. And realizing that makes your comment laughable.

"it" happens all the time???
What is IT exactly???



Let's put things into perspective, shall we?
Every 98 seconds someone in the U.S. is sexually assaulted. That means every single day more than 570 people experience sexual violence in this country.
That is much more frequent than false accusations.

But you fixate on the false accusations. And at the very start of this thread you try to blame the whole thing on a specific, nebulous claim regarding some women.


Let's face facts.
The real reason that the scenario you later described exists IS BECAUSE MEN (in general) WANT IT THAT WAY.
Once you realize that, your whole charade of an ever-evolving thread is stripped away.

If men are promiscuous, they are labeled as a "stud".
If women are promiscuous, they are labeled as a "slut".
If a woman makes aggressive sexual advances on a woman, the man is not supposed to complain. That's not how women "created" the situation.
It's how our locker room mentality has impacted society.

What's to stop a man from complaining about a woman who makes inappropriate sexual advances?
Do the corporate laws dictate that it's okay for the woman to make sexual advances in the work-place but not for the women?


Your original rant fixates on the women.
You fail to recognize the real reasons for what you complain about.
Let's look at the definition of sexual violence in the article you linked.

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Sexual violence permeates our culture, from violent rape scenes on hit TV shows to sexist dress codes that reinforce rape culture; from famous athletes telling young girls they’re “supposed to be silent,” to near-daily stories of sexual assaults on college campuses
It's a nonsensical definition of sexual violence used to generate a sensational frequency of sexual violence. It does a profound disservice to actual victims of sexual violence. But the purpose is to attack men as an identity group, not help victims.

Man as stud and woman as slut for being sexually active has long been replaced by a culture that demands women be aggressive recruiting their "hook ups".

Me too has discarded any sense of fair play by requiring any accusation of sexual misconduct targeting a man as credible and broadening the definition of offenses in much the same way as the linked article did with sexual violence. Naturally anyone who points out the danger of this guilt by accusation culture is at best a sexist more likely a sexual predator.
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Look at me! Look at me! Look at my Boobs and my sexy legs.

This is how you get rid of sexism in Hollywood.

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Look at me! Look at me! Look at my Boobs and my sexy legs.

This is how you get rid of sexism in Hollywood.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/jenn...231815921.html
Probably won't be seeing so much of her assets for a while. Heard on the local news this morning, she is laying off acting for a year or so to "help fix our democracy".
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Perfect example. Miley is part of the Me too gang. What's up with the Obama symbols on her butt cheeks?

If that dude would have touched her butt, he would have to be ruined. Cause Miley's not a slut.

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