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Old 01-30-2018, 04:45 PM
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Many of the successful women in Hollywood made the purposeful choice to do what they did with producers like Weinstein, to leapfrog their careers ahead. A conscious choice they knew when they went in.

Now, standing in their "barely there" $10,000 gowns slit up the hip and down the cleavage, they claim victimhood. As a man, it's truly difficult to feel shame or guilt for their hardship as we watch them depart from a Rolls.

It deflates the cause of women who got nothing out of their personal sexual horror experience but a chance at continued employment. True victims of predation by cowards.
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Without more details, it's hard to understand what exactly you're driving at...
When I think of the type of stuff that has been discussed, it's revolved around stuff like Weinstein and Kevin Spacey.

I gave "rape" as the classic example. It easily extends to sexual harassment, etc.
I don't care if a woman goes out in fishnet stockings and low-cut top. If a woman doesn't consent to be touched, then touching her can equate to assault.

Regarding what you said...
You talk about being treated like a "sex symbol".
For me, if a woman goes out in fishnet stockings and low-cut top and complains guys look at her, then she's not being realistic.
But if "treated as a sex symbol" somehow means she loses the right to her own body or to be free of work-place harassment, then that's not realistic.

Part of the problem is that the MeToo movement has had so many people try to throw in their own perspectives and some of them vary definitively away from rape or sexual assault.
Aziz Ansari had one of his sexual partners come forward with a complaint.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/15/o...arassment.html
IMO, reading the story it has absolutely nothing real to do with the MeToo movement. She had "bad sex" but she never told him to stop and had it ignored. She complains about how her "non-verbal cues" were ignored, but it's clear that when she did give verbal cues, he backed off...

My point being that there are so many different attempts to incorporate into the MeToo movement, it's not well understood what somebody is referencing when they talk about such things.
If you're talking about somebody dressing up like a crack whore and then being offended because somebody asks "How much?", then we're actually in agreement.
Anything that extends into legal situations like sexual harassment / sexual assault / etc? I don't see a justification based on clothing...



I disagree with this approach profoundly. "feeling uncomfortable" is not illegal.
There are established legal definitions of sexual assault, harassment, etc.
Those have not changed and I don't see any good argument for making them change.
That legal definition may help someone in court, but only in court.
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Old 01-30-2018, 04:56 PM
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That legal definition may help someone in court, but only in court.
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I didn't interpret what Dog Man wrote in the OP as blaming the victim, since, as he said, he wasn't condoning rape. When someone (outside of her role in a movie) is dressing in a slutty fashion, it is absurd for her to claim that she's being treated as a sex object if that is what subsequently happens. I think that is all he meant.
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Right, the court of public opinion is what is bringing people down left and right.

Men are losing their families, careers, etc... because of hearsay mostly. Except for Franken doing stupid stuff. I have to say that I don't think he should lose his career over it. I don't think ANY of these guys broke any laws, but they are being treated as if they had.

Maybe we need to start doing polygraphs, on accusers and accusee's.
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What I am talking about is what has been going on lately, not rape or actual sexual abuse, of course that isn't ok. But the stupid inane stuff like what Franken did. Also the stories about how a man made a woman uncomfortable because he was ogling her because of the way she was dressed (or undressed), or he asked her to come up to his room. Or God forbid, some women are complaining that someone they despised asked them on a date.

This is all part of what is going on, actual sexual abuse has been watered down to include a man making a woman feel uncomfortable.

So now ALL men have to change, but women on the other hand can be more audacious, more daring, hell in some places they walk around completely naked but with body paint on. What would you say to your daughter if she was leaving the house to go to a party wearing only body paint?

Are we to the point where EVERYTHING is ok, except for making people feel uncomfortable?

How about people that are uncomfortable seeing women half dressed on the street or in a store with their kids? It probably doesn't matter that THEY feel uncomfortable, correct? Why is it as a society we always protect the purveyor from criticism and uncomfortable feelings. But when a religious or Modest person is made uncomfortable by something, the left attacks them as religious nuts ( well Christians anyway ) and goodie two shoes and tells them to "Get over it" keep your clean moral desires to yourself.

PS GG I'm not directing all this at you, this is kind of general reply.

So I guess that's it, men need to be taken down by any means. It kind of reminds me of what the left is doing to Trump.
Certain groups have watered down the meaning of sexual harassment: THAT is an absolute truth.

How sad for the people that have truly experienced the 'real' sexual harassment, to be put in the same category as someone 'feeling uncomfortable'.
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Certain groups have watered down the meaning of sexual harassment: THAT is an absolute truth.

How sad for the people that have truly experienced the 'real' sexual harassment, to be put in the same category as someone 'feeling uncomfortable'.
I know huh? It almost seems as if real sexual harassment ( the type that is against the law ) has been pushed to the side in favor of the # "Me too" crowds.
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Kate Upton is joining in with the Me too's

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/kate...010904546.html

I wonder why she didn't say anything BEFORE she took the money? It would have had a lot bigger impact.
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I agree this has gone on for to damn long.. I]f women want to look trashy then except that males who can, will.

After all once they toss control over to their small brain[/I]

It is all about power in the end... Some males have it while Women want more of it..
So attack as leftist do...

Take down enough of these power males and there are more open power doors.
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I agree this has gone on for to damn long.. I]f women want to look trashy then except that males who can, will.

After all once they toss control over to their small brain[/I]

It is all about power in the end... Some males have it while Women want more of it..
So attack as leftist do...

Take down enough of these power males and there are more open power doors.
Basically what Dog Man and others are saying is that women are responsible for the actions of the men who assault/rape/abuse them. They prescribe no personal accountability to men, who I guess they must assume are all unable to control their sexual and sadistic urges because a woman shows some skin. This is the same attitude/excuse they have in the Muslim world ironicly. Women are seen as seductress so must remain fully clothed so as not to seduce and make a man rape them.
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