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There are many possible branches when it comes to connecting Donald Trump with the Russians, all of which Trump denies and calls a hoax. Steve Bannon has just stated that the investigation is focused on money laundering and the Mueller investigation is known to be following the money trail in it's investigation. That's something that I don't have enough information to draw any conclusions but there is one part of the investigation where the "dots" seem to be in place to reach a conclusion based upon what we do know.

The dots can be followed when it comes to collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians. While some have tried to claim that Trump didn't know anything, including statements by Donald Trump, and that all of these events happened independently in a vacuum that's illogical. All of these events were important enough for the top members of the Trump campaign, including Donald Trump that would have been in charge of providing direction to the campaign, to be informed of.

So let's just start at the beginning and follow the time line.

In May of 2016, before anyone knew that the Russians had hacked the Democratic emails, George Papadopoulos told an Australian diplomat that Russia had "political dirt" (emails) on Hillary Clinton. The Trump campaign knew before anyone else about that Russia has hacked emails. NYT: Papadopoulos told Australian diplomat Russia had Clinton dirt - CNNPolitics

On June 9th Trump Campaign chairman Paul Manafort, Mr. Trump's sone-in-law, Jared Kushner, and Donald Trump Jr. met with a delegation of Russians at Trump Tower about the Democratic emails that were in the possession of Russian intelligence. This meeting wasn't about the emails being given to the Trump campaign. This meeting was about what the Trump campaign had to do for Russia (Putin) in return for Russia to release the emails. Putin (Russia) is not a charitable organization that gives away anything. At that meeting the Russian representatives discussed the Russian adoption program that Russia ended when the US impose sanctions related to the Ukraine. To resume the adoptions Trump would need to lift the sanctions if elected. It was a simple Quid Pro Quo arrangement. Russia would help Trump get elected with the release of the emails (and other efforts) and in return Trump would lift the sanction against Russia if elected.

Donald Trump was the only person that could make the commitment to end the sanctions against Russia (that Putin wanted lifted) and being an unscrupulous businessman Trump was not going to decline the offer. No one cared whether it was legal or illegal because, like all crooks, they never thought they'd get caught.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/a-timel...ussian-lawyer/

We know the deal was agreed to because within a couple of weeks Russia began releasing the emails through WikiLeaks. Trump Jr later had a direct contact with WikiLeaks so that he could get the information first.

With the public awareness of the emails the Australian government notified the FBI that Papadopoulos had shared the information about the Russians in May.

On June 24th the FBI announced it was launching the investigation and based upon the information supplied by the Australian government, that it received from Papadopoulos, the connection between emails, Russia, and the Trump campaign was established as the basis for the FBI investigation.

Christopher Steele that was in contact with his numerous sources inside of Russia was also informed of this "secret deal between Trump and the Russians (Putin) and, after discussing it with Fusion GPS, contacted an FBI agent he knew in London. It was then that Steele began providing the FBI with copies of the memos he was writing on Trump. Steele had provided information from his contacts in Russia before and it has been extremely helpful in FBI criminal cases as well as being considered valuable to the US State Department. Steele's reputation was exceptional and his knowledge and contacts in Russia were unmatched..

Fusion GPS never informed Steele of who their client was (Hillary Campaign) nor did the provide any directions on his inquiry except a high level one to look into Trump's affairs in Russia.

Parts of the Steele memos (dossier) have been substantiated. The Steele memos mentioned specific meetings between Trump campaign members and the Russians that eventually lead to the secret agreement between Donald Trump and the Russians. Several of those meeting, like one with Carter Page, have been verified as having taken place. Carter Page denies it was related to the Trump Campaign but that just goes along with all of the other denials of meetings between members of the Trump campaign with the Russians that have since be identified.

Russia, as we know, mounted an extensive covert campaign to help Trump get elected. In addition to releasing the Democratic emails they also waged an extensive social media campaign the reached well over 100 million American voters. It was highly successful according to both US and Russian sources. Once again we know that Russia would not done this out of the goodness of Putin's heart.

Further evidence that the agreement existed comes after the election.

On Dec 29, 2016 Michael Flynn meet with Sergey Kislyak, the Russian ambassador to the United States, to let him know to nor worry about the new sanctions against Russia that the Obama Administration was imposing because of the Russian interventionism in the US election. Flynn assured Kislyak that Trump would remove the sanctions once he was in office. Only Donald Trump could have authorized Flynn to make those assurances to Russia.
https://www.factcheck.org/2017/12/mi...ssia-timeline/

One last piece of undeniable evidence of Trump's agreement with Russia (Putin) came after Trump took office.

When Congress, wary of Trump's obvious close ties to Russia, passed legislation with a veto proof majority that required additional sanctions against Russia, that Trump could not lift, Trump flew into a rage. He made public statements disparaging this legislation because it prevented Trump from unilaterally lifting the sanctions imposed.
Trump turns fury on Congress over Russia sanctions law | Daily Mail Online

Donald Trump may fear other revelations or wrong-doing that will be uncovered by the Mueller investigation such as illegal financial activities that the Kushner's and Trump may have engaged in. We don't know all there is that Trump is running scared from when it comes to the Russia investigation. What we do know is that there was a agreement by Donald Trump to lift US sanctions against Russia if he was elected.

Perhaps even more troubling is the fact that Russia is apparently continuing to assist Donald Trump. It was found that during the recent public comment period for the Net Neutrality decision by the FCC that hundreds of thousands of the comments came from Russia and that a very large percentage of the comments were from fictitious accounts of stolen identities. When private polling shows that over 80% Americans supported Net Neutrality, including 75% of Republicans, that the FCC's "Comments" supported repeal defied reality and we know why because it was based upon fraudulent comments being submitted. The Wall Street Journal investigated the public comments on the revocation of the Fiduciary Rule to protect the investments retirees (i.e. the investment agent must work in the retiree's best interests) and found that 40% of the sample represented fake comments being submitted. The scope of this identify fraud to support Trump's agenda all points to Russia as being behind it.

Russia (Putin) supported Trump in return for what Trump promised Russia (Putin) and Russia (Putin) continues to actively support Donald Trump today.
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Was a deal struck where Trump would remove US sanctions against Russia so that the adoption program could be resumed at the Trump Tower meeting and was Donald Trump involved? More evidence seems to indicate that this quid pro quo agreement (lifting sanctions for Russian assistance in the election) was made with Trump's approval.

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A Russian lawyer who met with President Donald Trumpís oldest son last year says he indicated that a law targeting Russia could be re-examined if his father won the election and asked her for written evidence that illegal proceeds went to Hillary Clintonís campaign.

The lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, said in a two-and-a-half-hour interview in Moscow that she would tell these and other things to the Senate Judiciary Committee on condition that her answers be made public, something it hasnít agreed to. She has received scores of questions from the committee, which is investigating possible collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign. Veselnitskaya said sheís also ready -- if asked -- to testify to Special Counsel Robert Mueller.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ow-lawyer-says

Trump Jr could not have made that offer without Trump Sr authorizing it because only Trump Sr could order the review so he could lift the sanctions.

In political circles these types of offers are generally considered a commitment (i.e. the review was to justify the lifting of the sanctions). While Veselnitskaya's honesty can be questioned the fact is that a week later the Democrat's emails were released through WikiLeaks and that would indicate that the offer was made and accepted as implying Trump would lift the sanctions. Donald Trump had to be not just aware of what was being requested by Russia (Putin) but also had to agree with those conditions because no one else had the authority to commit Donald Trump to those actions if he was elected.
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Was a deal struck where Trump would remove US sanctions against Russia so that the adoption program could be resumed at the Trump Tower meeting and was Donald Trump involved? More evidence seems to indicate that this quid pro quo agreement (lifting sanctions for Russian assistance in the election) was made with Trump's approval.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ow-lawyer-says

Trump Jr could not have made that offer without Trump Sr authorizing it because only Trump Sr could order the review so he could lift the sanctions.

In political circles these types of offers are generally considered a commitment (i.e. the review was to justify the lifting of the sanctions). While Veselnitskaya's honesty can be questioned the fact is that a week later the Democrat's emails were released through WikiLeaks and that would indicate that the offer was made and accepted as implying Trump would lift the sanctions. Donald Trump had to be not just aware of what was being requested by Russia (Putin) but also had to agree with those conditions because no one else had the authority to commit Donald Trump to those actions if he was elected.
The Russian thing is mostly dead and the finger took a sudden left turn and is pointing in a bad direction. Probably time to move on. The hooker thing is worth a try.
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Was a deal struck where Trump would remove US sanctions against Russia so that the adoption program could be resumed at the Trump Tower meeting and was Donald Trump involved? More evidence seems to indicate that this quid pro quo agreement (lifting sanctions for Russian assistance in the election) was made with Trump's approval.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ow-lawyer-says

Trump Jr could not have made that offer without Trump Sr authorizing it because only Trump Sr could order the review so he could lift the sanctions.

In political circles these types of offers are generally considered a commitment (i.e. the review was to justify the lifting of the sanctions). While Veselnitskaya's honesty can be questioned the fact is that a week later the Democrat's emails were released through WikiLeaks and that would indicate that the offer was made and accepted as implying Trump would lift the sanctions. Donald Trump had to be not just aware of what was being requested by Russia (Putin) but also had to agree with those conditions because no one else had the authority to commit Donald Trump to those actions if he was elected.
A crude conspiracy theory based on a speculative article, the comment is nothing but creative writing. No evidence is offered of any agreement between the Trump campaign and the Russians just speculation that it must have happened because of leaked emails.
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Odd that we have actual evidence of a collusion between the Clinton campaign and Russian spy/intelligence agents and yet, the left is hung up on the speculations of what might have been.

It would be funny if they weren't so dug in about it.

And that's just sad.
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Odd that we have actual evidence of a collusion between the Clinton campaign and Russian spy/intelligence agents and yet, the left is hung up on the speculations of what might have been.

It would be funny if they weren't so dug in about it.

And that's just sad.
AND, they also have nothing to say about the FACT that the Clinton camp conspired against Bernie, or the FACT that Hillary received debate questions before the debates.

Is it me? or does it seem that the left are fine when THEY openly cheat and conspire to win an election?

Maybe that is why they are so desperate to find something, anything, on Trump, because they did it, so he MUST have done it too..........
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A crude conspiracy theory based on a speculative article, the comment is nothing but creative writing. No evidence is offered of any agreement between the Trump campaign and the Russians just speculation that it must have happened because of leaked emails.
The evidence is overwhelming. Russia hacked the Democrats emails and Putin wanted to put that to use for his benefit. That's an undisputed fact.

Putin had been working to recruit Trump as an ally for at least five years and that history goes back many years before that. Russian oligarchs (Putin stooges) had been laundering money by purchasing Trump condos in Panama so that Trump could secure loans (Fusion GPS testimony to Congress on it's investigation into the Trump Organization).

Putin needed to inform Trump that he had "dirt" in the form of Democratic emails so that he could work a deal. He did that through an intermediary in England that gave the information to Papadopoulos two months before anyone knew that the Russians had hacked the Democrats emails (Australian government and Papadopoulos guilty plea about lying to FBI investigators) .

Putin had to inform Trump of what he wanted in return for the emails before anyone other than Trump knew that Russia had stolen emails from the Democrats. That was accomplished at the June 9th meeting the Trump Jr was involved in arranging as a representative of his father. Trump Jr was overjoyed at being contacted about the emails that the Trump campaign was already aware of (Donald Trump Jr emails).

Putin wanted the US to lift economic sanctions so that the Russian adoption program could resume in return for the emails (Donald Trump Sr original dictated press release stating that the June 9th meeting was about the Russian adoption program - after repeatedly stating there were never any meetings between the Trump campaign and the Russians).

That Trump agreed to the terms by committing to reviewing the US sanctions so that the sanctions could be lifted if Russia helped to get him elected (Veselnitskaya's statements to the press and that she's said she's willing to testify to under oath).

That Putin kept his part of the deal by providing the emails to Donald Trump via WikiLeaks within about a week of the June 9th meeting and the extensive and according to US intelligence the most successful covert influence campaign by any foreign country with Russian trolls and bots to help Trump during the campaign (US intelligence sources)

That Trump remained committed to his part of the deal to lift US economic sanctions against Russia once he was elected (Mike Flynn's discussions with the Russian ambassador to reassure Putin that Trump would lift the sanctions that the Obama administration because of Russian interventionism for Donald Trump)

That all of this is true can be documented by Trump campaigns attempt to cover up contacts with the Russians by Jeff Sessions, Donald Trump Jr. Jered Kushner, Paul Manafort, and other members of the Trump campaign plus the repeated attempts to discredit the evidence from the US intelligences sources and finally Donald Trump's attempts to obstruct the criminal investigation first by James Comey as the head of the FBI that was carried on by the Mueller investigation.

Please note that Trump has claimed that even had his campaign wanted the Democratic emails from the Russians that it was just "opposition research" but opposition research does not include the commission of criminal acts. The Watergate break-in could be labeled as "opposition research" if that was the case. It also doesn't include the assistance of foreign governments conducting cover influence campaigns on your behalf during the campaign that by law are prohibited from involvement in US elections. Finally it doesn't cover a quid pro qui agreement with a foreign government that would constitute conspiracy against the United States by the presidential candidate.

It is interesting that the Russian bots are now circulating the #releasethememo for the Rep. Nunes (a Trump minion) according to US intelligence sources. The memo in question is a propaganda memo created by Nunes to discredit the FBI and Mueller investigation but it's already been debunked by those that have access to the FISA warrant it uses as a basis and other confidential information where Nunes' pulled statements out of context.

All of the Republican conspiracies from the "text" conspiracy to the "political bias of the FBI and Mueller investigation to the "secret (deep state) organization" to remove Trump from the presidency to the contents of the Trump Dossier was politically motivated and finally to the "memo" have all been debunked.
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The evidence is overwhelming. Russia hacked the Democrats emails and Putin wanted to put that to use for his benefit. That's an undisputed fact.

Putin had been working to recruit Trump as an ally for at least five years and that history goes back many years before that. Russian oligarchs (Putin stooges) had been laundering money by purchasing Trump condos in Panama so that Trump could secure loans (Fusion GPS testimony to Congress on it's investigation into the Trump Organization).

Putin needed to inform Trump that he had "dirt" in the form of Democratic emails so that he could work a deal. He did that through an intermediary in England that gave the information to Papadopoulos two months before anyone knew that the Russians had hacked the Democrats emails (Australian government and Papadopoulos guilty plea about lying to FBI investigators) .

Putin had to inform Trump of what he wanted in return for the emails before anyone other than Trump knew that Russia had stolen emails from the Democrats. That was accomplished at the June 9th meeting the Trump Jr was involved in arranging as a representative of his father. Trump Jr was overjoyed at being contacted about the emails that the Trump campaign was already aware of (Donald Trump Jr emails).

Putin wanted the US to lift economic sanctions so that the Russian adoption program could resume in return for the emails (Donald Trump Sr original dictated press release stating that the June 9th meeting was about the Russian adoption program - after repeatedly stating there were never any meetings between the Trump campaign and the Russians).

That Trump agreed to the terms by committing to reviewing the US sanctions so that the sanctions could be lifted if Russia helped to get him elected (Veselnitskaya's statements to the press and that she's said she's willing to testify to under oath).

That Putin kept his part of the deal by providing the emails to Donald Trump via WikiLeaks within about a week of the June 9th meeting and the extensive and according to US intelligence the most successful covert influence campaign by any foreign country with Russian trolls and bots to help Trump during the campaign (US intelligence sources)

That Trump remained committed to his part of the deal to lift US economic sanctions against Russia once he was elected (Mike Flynn's discussions with the Russian ambassador to reassure Putin that Trump would lift the sanctions that the Obama administration because of Russian interventionism for Donald Trump)

That all of this is true can be documented by Trump campaigns attempt to cover up contacts with the Russians by Jeff Sessions, Donald Trump Jr. Jered Kushner, Paul Manafort, and other members of the Trump campaign plus the repeated attempts to discredit the evidence from the US intelligences sources and finally Donald Trump's attempts to obstruct the criminal investigation first by James Comey as the head of the FBI that was carried on by the Mueller investigation.

Please note that Trump has claimed that even had his campaign wanted the Democratic emails from the Russians that it was just "opposition research" but opposition research does not include the commission of criminal acts. The Watergate break-in could be labeled as "opposition research" if that was the case. It also doesn't include the assistance of foreign governments conducting cover influence campaigns on your behalf during the campaign that by law are prohibited from involvement in US elections. Finally it doesn't cover a quid pro qui agreement with a foreign government that would constitute conspiracy against the United States by the presidential candidate.

It is interesting that the Russian bots are now circulating the #releasethememo for the Rep. Nunes (a Trump minion) according to US intelligence sources. The memo in question is a propaganda memo created by Nunes to discredit the FBI and Mueller investigation but it's already been debunked by those that have access to the FISA warrant it uses as a basis and other confidential information where Nunes' pulled statements out of context.

All of the Republican conspiracies from the "text" conspiracy to the "political bias of the FBI and Mueller investigation to the "secret (deep state) organization" to remove Trump from the presidency to the contents of the Trump Dossier was politically motivated and finally to the "memo" have all been debunked.
Another rambling partisan rant where unsupported speculation is cited as proof. No actual evidence is cited just imaginative fantasy.

The conclusion by Obama's politicized intelligence agencies that the Democrat email hack was carried out by the Russian boogeyman is based entirely on information provided by the consultants hired by the DNC. The same consultants were responsible for security so they were motivated to blame whoever Democrats told them. There was never any independent examination of the servers. That's not overwhelming evidence it is a rigged investigation.

Please cite with links, where Trump personally offered to review the sanctions against Russia before the election. It would have been routine for the Trump administration to review them after he won.

Citing the authors of the phony dossier as a source for Trump's so-called money laundering just shows the desperation of the Trump hater. As if hiring a foreign intelligence agent to solicit Russian disinformation wasn't bad enough.

Neither the guilty pleas nor the indictments produced by Mueller's lynch mob of Trump haters has offered any proof of conspiracy with the Russian boogeyman. The very worst thing a prosecutor can do to a cooperating witness is to have them plead to lying, it destroys their credibility. Yet Mueller's band of zealots decided to do exactly that. It speaks to the lack of any evidence of a conspiracy Democrats continue to bray about.
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Anyone claiming that Russia tRUmp isn't a thing is lying or is being willfully ignorant. The evidence is overwhelming. And there is so much more that will come out later. Unfortunately there will always be liars like AZRWinger who purposely misrepresent things and won't admit they've been fooled.

Here is the latest:

Dutch intelligence agency AIVD infiltrated Cozy Bear and witnessed the assault on US political parties STARTING IN 2014!

Why was US intelligence able to claim high confidence intel assessments that Russia interfered? Because the Dutch had the Russkis COMPLETELY PWNED FOR YEARS!

My favorite part is that they got into the network-connected security camera, so they know EXACTLY which FSB officers were directing the op.

https://www.volkskrant.nl/tech/dutch...s~a4561913/amp
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Anyone claiming that Russia tRUmp isn't a thing is lying or is being willfully ignorant. The evidence is overwhelming. And there is so much more that will come out later. Unfortunately there will always be liars like AZRWinger who purposely misrepresent things and won't admit they've been fooled.

Here is the latest:

Dutch intelligence agency AIVD infiltrated Cozy Bear and witnessed the assault on US political parties STARTING IN 2014!

Why was US intelligence able to claim high confidence intel assessments that Russia interfered? Because the Dutch had the Russkis COMPLETELY PWNED FOR YEARS!

My favorite part is that they got into the network-connected security camera, so they know EXACTLY which FSB officers were directing the op.

https://www.volkskrant.nl/tech/dutch...s~a4561913/amp
That's your big proof, another foreign intelligence agency feeding disinformation into the Resistance delusional hatred. Just like the phony dossier relied on a foreign intelligence agent to spread Russian disinformation now the Dutch intelligence agency rumor is touted as proof.

Of course the desperation to blame the Russian boogeyman is nothing but an attempt to distract from the toxic activities in the DNC the purloined emails revealed.

Again, no evidence of Trump colluding with the Russians just insults and rumors.
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