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Something I wrote on another thread.

I don't go to church, but I believe that the Holy Spirit guides me. That spirit also guides homeless dogs to me I believe. I am constantly picking up dogs from the street that have been abused or abandoned. People wonder how I am always coming across these dogs ( 2 just yesterday ) My friend said he thinks God guides them to me when they are in their bleakest moment.

I cannot describe it any other way.[/QUOTE]

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We should all practice every day. And you don't have to go to church to do it.
A+ . . . My personal feeling is that it is better to be on a beach fishing and thinking about God than sitting in a church thinking about fishing.
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When I think of organized religion, I think of those that go to a place of worship with like minded folks. My mother loved the camaraderie and friendships of the Church ( I grew up Lutheran ) She would go to church everyday if she could.

Do you believe that there is one religion that is THE religion? I believe Jesus died for our sins, but if I didn't, would it make a difference in my eternal life?
I would hope not, I would think that we ALL ultimately have the same God.

I actually prefer the word spirit to God because God feels more like a being. A spirit is something that is in everyone. Our spirit drives all of us, but many do not know it, or use it to their advantage.

I think when it was figured out, it had to be put to the masses in a context that they could understand, and that context was developed by man. That is NOT a bad thing. Religion of all kinds have helped Billions of people throughout time.

But I guess I have to agree with Franco. I think that because of the influence of man upon religion, it is possible for certain things to be corrupted or perverted if you will.

To think that everything in the Bible or Koran is absolute and sent by God, just doesn't compute with the Dog Man.
Dogman and I respect you and franc and we all have had our own journeys in life and faith.
but here's a few thing that have stuck with and guided my POV throughout the years.
-somethings are really true and some things are really false.
-everyone can't be right, if there conflicting info.
-it doesn't mean if someone is wrong on various points that they are wrong about "everything".
-finding the best evidence takes time and is often surprising.
-there are few COMPLETE answers, and somethings are just flat unknown, but there's enough out there to get a good idea about some important things, and/or be pointed in the right general direction in others.

Having said that ... i'm going to kind of break down what you said into how i read it.

this is not to mess with you, but just to give you gist of my take how what you says plays in my head. sorry if I come across as an analytical arse.
But as i mentioned to Franc, these things don't often get alot of time and consideration, as he said his comments about dark matter were sorta off the cuff. and he prefers not to even discuss it publicly.

sorry it's so long, i wanted to be clear, again please take no offense.
When I think of organized religion, I think of those that go to a place of worship with like minded folks.
•That’s cool, but it’s not the definition most use, but ok, cool.

My mother loved the camaraderie and friendships of the Church ( I grew up Lutheran ) She would go to church everyday if she could.
•God bless mom, the Lutheran’s have a lot going for them , especially back before the 1960s

Do you believe that there is one religion that is THE religion?
•well yes, it doesn’t necessarily reside in one LABEL of Christianity, but the general confessions of the Christain faith all say the same and are “the” religion that is to say “the truth”. If one idea is true then the other that says the opposite or oherwise is false.
it’s not like picking your favorite foods. Yes, there’s a range of editable foods true, so denominations are like restaurants, you have a choice between steak houses and vegetarian joints, fancy places or holes in the walls but go outside of a certain range …to poisons and rocks and sticks… and you’re dead. not everything is edible even if you “believe” it is.

I believe Jesus died for our sins,
•Amen brother

but if I didn't, would it make a difference in my eternal life?
•um yes.

I would hope not,
• i would hope not too, but sometimes what i hope and what God says/does are 2 different things. i can’t make up my own version of the way God does things and HOPE it will work out can i?

I would think that we ALL ultimately have the same God.
•well OK , yes , everyone on the planet was made by God but whether or not we all “serve” him is a different question. If my Dad loves a cool room and the window closed, and i BELIEVED that he doesn’t really care about temp and likes the window open. And i act on that. My actions may be sincere but i would NOT be “serving” him. Even though I sincerely thought i was.
And Assuming that temps and windows MAKES no ultimate difference is FUN and a relief but how do you know that? And how do we come to those conclusions as to what God does or doesn't think?

I actually prefer the word spirit to God because God feels more like a being.
•Again what we “prefer” isn’t really the point is it? If God IS a being then we don’t get to make that up to suit our feelings do we?

A spirit is something that is in everyone.
•well, How do you even know that? From organized religion? From you’re own feelings? And then assuming everyone else is like you? from reading others "corrupt mens" books that ASSERT that everyone has a spirit? some scientist say we have no spirits that we are JUST material molecules firing off electrical signals. do they know everything there is to know here?
frankly I agree with you “A spirit is something that is in everyone” . But I’m convinced of that by my personal experience AND the words of Jesus and the prophets.

Our spirit drives all of us, but many do not know it, or use it to their advantage.
•Ok yes cool great where’s he going with this?

I think when it was figured out,
•Head Scratch, Ok “who “ “figured it out” EXACTLY. so is he saying that God didn’t really communicate clearly to anyone at any time so people, scratched around and made up stuff that seemed to “feel right” or something?
How does he come to conclusions that Some folks at some point “figured it out”. Especially if what religion presents today is "corrupted" so badly how would one know someone “figured it out" in the past? Do we pick and choose the portions of "organized religion" that appeal to us and assume that's what true?

it had to be put to the masses in a context that they could understand,
•Ok the mystery people that made up stuff that felt right dumbed it down for others?
wheres’ the history for this ? where does DogMan get this ? i know liberal theologians and atheist have promoted these kind of “bottom up” religion ideas before , is he thinking of those folks, they don’t have any solid back up for those theories it’s just non historical assumptions. Many based on the presupposition that God is not real therefore did not -cannot- ever speak.
It’s something i’ve never understood how believers could rationally adhere to. If God NEVER spoke then it’s all mans made up mishmash of mumbo jumbo some beneficial, AT TIMES, some not.. some not at ALL. so there’s NO need to take it seriously at all much. “a dumbed down made up story is STILL based on a complicated made up story or concepts.


and that context was developed by man.
• OK, more of the same , man making up stuff, claiming its "true" in some respect.

That is NOT a bad thing.
•Ok, Lying is not a bad thing, all the time, in the human context i suppose, but on the broad scale it implies that most humans won’t do well if they know the reality of the world we live in. And some elite have to lie to masses to help them along.

Religion of all kinds have helped Billions of people throughout time.
•boom, yep, And sure various religions have helped people. but it seems to me the place where they help is where the religion is inline with the truth. Treating people fairly is TRUE, if what the religion teaches is WRONG about the nature of God the fairness PORTION of the religion is STILL true. so yes it will help. but in the long run it seems to me that lies will catch up with those that believe things that are false.
I can drive on a road that’s parallel with another for miles and miles but if my road goes hard left and off a cliff at the end and the other drives into a plush garage. it doesn’t matter that i followed basically the same rules of the road. And BELIEVED that my road was the right one. Or that men in the past “figured it out… for the masses”.

But I guess I have to agree with Franco. I think that because of the influence of man upon religion, it is possible for certain things to be corrupted or perverted if you will.
•there’s no doubt about that. the real question is have we looked at the details to SEE what exactly HAS been corrupted or do we just ASSUME the level of corruption is so high that we can just make up our own views based on what other men have “figured out”?

To think that everything in the Bible or Koran is absolute and sent by God, just doesn't compute with the Dog Man.
•Doesn’t compute with me either. but it doesn’t mean that it’s not true. the question is is there enough info available to tell if the the BASIC facts and writings are true or false , made up for the masses or actually some real communications from God. Is it POSSIBLE that God could leave humanity information in written form and not allow it to become corrupted to the point where we have to dismiss it all generally? seems to me it is. If he’s God.
But If it’s really just some vague spirit that’s out there or in us or both then well who knows, it’s anyones guess.

And of course if the Bible is true then much of the Koran is not and the vague spirit pantheistic god that has few standards where trust in Jesus is optional is false as well, everyone can’t be right.

Often when i put things this way people bristle. because they’d rather not look at “religion” in the same way they look at the rest of reality.
Well if folks want to be able to choose smoothing myths, and want to assume all religions are in fact myths, or make up the type of god they like, OK they can assume that. and live in peace.
but frankly I have a bit more respect for hard core atheist that will say “this is false, not real, because of XYZ. And you should live based on the facts” rather than looking for feel good middle grounds. I used to be an agnostic. I was convinced there was not enough information available to KNOW if there was a God or not. But as i looked into it more and more I realized i was wrong. there is MORE evidence for God than not, and There is more evidence that the bible is true and uncorrupted than not.

So for my journey i really don’t put much stock in armchair dismissive notions that it’s all corrupted to the point of being generally untrue, the facts and history really don’t bear that out for Christianity and the Bible from what i've seen.

Church attendances is great but not core of religion , organized or not. It's initially about the nature of reality, and the reality of God and what we can know about him, and how to relate to him.



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I do believe the "Force" of God is in everyone. and we ARE able to use it as we see fit. Our daily thoughts guide our daily lives. Thoughts ARE prayers.

Think/Pray for love and good things, and good things will happen in your life.

Live a life of hate and bad thoughts/prayers, and you will have bad things happen in your life.

This has nothing to do with organized religion. But the religious do try to practice it in a formal setting.

We should all practice every day. And you don't have to go to church to do it.
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Dogman and I respect you and franc and we all have had our own journeys in life and faith.
but here's a few thing that have stuck with and guided my POV throughout the years.
-somethings are really true and some things are really false.
-everyone can't be right, if there conflicting info.
-it doesn't mean if someone is wrong on various points that they are wrong about "everything".
-finding the best evidence takes time and is often surprising.
-there are few COMPLETE answers, and somethings are just flat unknown, but there's enough out there to get a good idea about some important things, and/or be pointed in the right general direction in others.

Having said that ... i'm going to kind of break down what you said into how i read it.

this is not to mess with you, but just to give you gist of my take how what you says plays in my head. sorry if I come across as an analytical arse.
But as i mentioned to Franc, these things don't often get alot of time and consideration, as he said his comments about dark matter were sorta off the cuff. and he prefers not to even discuss it publicly.

sorry it's so long, i wanted to be clear, again please take no offense.
When I think of organized religion, I think of those that go to a place of worship with like minded folks.
•That’s cool, but it’s not the definition most use, but ok, cool.

My mother loved the camaraderie and friendships of the Church ( I grew up Lutheran ) She would go to church everyday if she could.
•God bless mom, the Lutheran’s have a lot going for them , especially back before the 1960s

Do you believe that there is one religion that is THE religion?
•well yes, it doesn’t necessarily reside in one LABEL of Christianity, but the general confessions of the Christain faith all say the same and are “the” religion that is to say “the truth”. If one idea is true then the other that says the opposite or oherwise is false.
it’s not like picking your favorite foods. Yes, there’s a range of editable foods true, so denominations are like restaurants, you have a choice between steak houses and vegetarian joints, fancy places or holes in the walls but go outside of a certain range …to poisons and rocks and sticks… and you’re dead. not everything is edible even if you “believe” it is.

I believe Jesus died for our sins,
•Amen brother

but if I didn't, would it make a difference in my eternal life?
•um yes.

I would hope not,
• i would hope not too, but sometimes what i hope and what God says/does are 2 different things. i can’t make up my own version of the way God does things and HOPE it will work out can i?

I would think that we ALL ultimately have the same God.
•well OK , yes , everyone on the planet was made by God but whether or not we all “serve” him is a different question. If my Dad loves a cool room and the window closed, and i BELIEVED that he doesn’t really care about temp and likes the window open. And i act on that. My actions may be sincere but i would NOT be “serving” him. Even though I sincerely thought i was.
And Assuming that temps and windows MAKES no ultimate difference is FUN and a relief but how do you know that? And how do we come to those conclusions as to what God does or doesn't think?

I actually prefer the word spirit to God because God feels more like a being.
•Again what we “prefer” isn’t really the point is it? If God IS a being then we don’t get to make that up to suit our feelings do we?

A spirit is something that is in everyone.
•well, How do you even know that? From organized religion? From you’re own feelings? And then assuming everyone else is like you? from reading others "corrupt mens" books that ASSERT that everyone has a spirit? some scientist say we have no spirits that we are JUST material molecules firing off electrical signals. do they know everything there is to know here?
frankly I agree with you “A spirit is something that is in everyone” . But I’m convinced of that by my personal experience AND the words of Jesus and the prophets.

Our spirit drives all of us, but many do not know it, or use it to their advantage.
•Ok yes cool great where’s he going with this?

I think when it was figured out,
•Head Scratch, Ok “who “ “figured it out” EXACTLY. so is he saying that God didn’t really communicate clearly to anyone at any time so people, scratched around and made up stuff that seemed to “feel right” or something?
How does he come to conclusions that Some folks at some point “figured it out”. Especially if what religion presents today is "corrupted" so badly how would one know someone “figured it out" in the past? Do we pick and choose the portions of "organized religion" that appeal to us and assume that's what true?

it had to be put to the masses in a context that they could understand,
•Ok the mystery people that made up stuff that felt right dumbed it down for others?
wheres’ the history for this ? where does DogMan get this ? i know liberal theologians and atheist have promoted these kind of “bottom up” religion ideas before , is he thinking of those folks, they don’t have any solid back up for those theories it’s just non historical assumptions. Many based on the presupposition that God is not real therefore did not -cannot- ever speak.
It’s something i’ve never understood how believers could rationally adhere to. If God NEVER spoke then it’s all mans made up mishmash of mumbo jumbo some beneficial, AT TIMES, some not.. some not at ALL. so there’s NO need to take it seriously at all much. “a dumbed down made up story is STILL based on a complicated made up story or concepts.


and that context was developed by man.
• OK, more of the same , man making up stuff, claiming its "true" in some respect.

That is NOT a bad thing.
•Ok, Lying is not a bad thing, all the time, in the human context i suppose, but on the broad scale it implies that most humans won’t do well if they know the reality of the world we live in. And some elite have to lie to masses to help them along.

Religion of all kinds have helped Billions of people throughout time.
•boom, yep, And sure various religions have helped people. but it seems to me the place where they help is where the religion is inline with the truth. Treating people fairly is TRUE, if what the religion teaches is WRONG about the nature of God the fairness PORTION of the religion is STILL true. so yes it will help. but in the long run it seems to me that lies will catch up with those that believe things that are false.
I can drive on a road that’s parallel with another for miles and miles but if my road goes hard left and off a cliff at the end and the other drives into a plush garage. it doesn’t matter that i followed basically the same rules of the road. And BELIEVED that my road was the right one. Or that men in the past “figured it out… for the masses”.

But I guess I have to agree with Franco. I think that because of the influence of man upon religion, it is possible for certain things to be corrupted or perverted if you will.
•there’s no doubt about that. the real question is have we looked at the details to SEE what exactly HAS been corrupted or do we just ASSUME the level of corruption is so high that we can just make up our own views based on what other men have “figured out”?

To think that everything in the Bible or Koran is absolute and sent by God, just doesn't compute with the Dog Man.
•Doesn’t compute with me either. but it doesn’t mean that it’s not true. the question is is there enough info available to tell if the the BASIC facts and writings are true or false , made up for the masses or actually some real communications from God. Is it POSSIBLE that God could leave humanity information in written form and not allow it to become corrupted to the point where we have to dismiss it all generally? seems to me it is. If he’s God.
But If it’s really just some vague spirit that’s out there or in us or both then well who knows, it’s anyones guess.

And of course if the Bible is true then much of the Koran is not and the vague spirit pantheistic god that has few standards where trust in Jesus is optional is false as well, everyone can’t be right.

Often when i put things this way people bristle. because they’d rather not look at “religion” in the same way they look at the rest of reality.
Well if folks want to be able to choose smoothing myths, and want to assume all religions are in fact myths, or make up the type of god they like, OK they can assume that. and live in peace.
but frankly I have a bit more respect for hard core atheist that will say “this is false, not real, because of XYZ. And you should live based on the facts” rather than looking for feel good middle grounds. I used to be an agnostic. I was convinced there was not enough information available to KNOW if there was a God or not. But as i looked into it more and more I realized i was wrong. there is MORE evidence for God than not, and There is more evidence that the bible is true and uncorrupted than not.

So for my journey i really don’t put much stock in armchair dismissive notions that it’s all corrupted to the point of being generally untrue, the facts and history really don’t bear that out for Christianity and the Bible from what i've seen.

Church attendances is great but not core of religion , organized or not. It's initially about the nature of reality, and the reality of God and what we can know about him, and how to relate to him.



Good post. For the record I will submit this brief description of MY beliefs.

There is a GOD. All knowing and all seeing. He is unseen, he is everywhere, omnipotent and omnipresent. We, mankind, recognize the existence of Him because he is innately part of us, our being.

There is no known way to address or worship Him that is pure and perfect because we are not pure, much less perfect. Our obligation to Him is personal and despite congregations, individual in nature.

The simple part,,,,;I believe He is best served first by recognition and living by one simple principle. Our individual struggles may be different in level and scope. However, we are all on the same journey to the same place. We best serve Him when we respect and help each other along the way.
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Sorry, I was interrupted before I could edit and conclude my last post but,,,;


In a nutshell, I believe that our ten commandments (actually there were quite a few more but ten is the classic royal number) can be condensed into only two tenants.

1) Recognize the Lord and the sanctity of all his creations.
2) Respect for the lives of all fellow men and women

Like I said, simple.
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Dogman and I respect you and franc and we all have had our own journeys in life and faith.
but here's a few thing that have stuck with and guided my POV throughout the years.
-somethings are really true and some things are really false.
-everyone can't be right, if there conflicting info.
-it doesn't mean if someone is wrong on various points that they are wrong about "everything".
-finding the best evidence takes time and is often surprising.
-there are few COMPLETE answers, and somethings are just flat unknown, but there's enough out there to get a good idea about some important things, and/or be pointed in the right general direction in others.

Having said that ... i'm going to kind of break down what you said into how i read it.

this is not to mess with you, but just to give you gist of my take how what you says plays in my head. sorry if I come across as an analytical arse.
But as i mentioned to Franc, these things don't often get alot of time and consideration, as he said his comments about dark matter were sorta off the cuff. and he prefers not to even discuss it publicly.

sorry it's so long, i wanted to be clear, again please take no offense.
When I think of organized religion, I think of those that go to a place of worship with like minded folks.
•That’s cool, but it’s not the definition most use, but ok, cool.

My mother loved the camaraderie and friendships of the Church ( I grew up Lutheran ) She would go to church everyday if she could.
•God bless mom, the Lutheran’s have a lot going for them , especially back before the 1960s

Do you believe that there is one religion that is THE religion?
•well yes, it doesn’t necessarily reside in one LABEL of Christianity, but the general confessions of the Christain faith all say the same and are “the” religion that is to say “the truth”. If one idea is true then the other that says the opposite or oherwise is false.
it’s not like picking your favorite foods. Yes, there’s a range of editable foods true, so denominations are like restaurants, you have a choice between steak houses and vegetarian joints, fancy places or holes in the walls but go outside of a certain range …to poisons and rocks and sticks… and you’re dead. not everything is edible even if you “believe” it is.

I believe Jesus died for our sins,
•Amen brother

but if I didn't, would it make a difference in my eternal life?
•um yes.

I would hope not,
• i would hope not too, but sometimes what i hope and what God says/does are 2 different things. i can’t make up my own version of the way God does things and HOPE it will work out can i?

I would think that we ALL ultimately have the same God.
•well OK , yes , everyone on the planet was made by God but whether or not we all “serve” him is a different question. If my Dad loves a cool room and the window closed, and i BELIEVED that he doesn’t really care about temp and likes the window open. And i act on that. My actions may be sincere but i would NOT be “serving” him. Even though I sincerely thought i was.
And Assuming that temps and windows MAKES no ultimate difference is FUN and a relief but how do you know that? And how do we come to those conclusions as to what God does or doesn't think?

I actually prefer the word spirit to God because God feels more like a being.
•Again what we “prefer” isn’t really the point is it? If God IS a being then we don’t get to make that up to suit our feelings do we?

A spirit is something that is in everyone.
•well, How do you even know that? From organized religion? From you’re own feelings? And then assuming everyone else is like you? from reading others "corrupt mens" books that ASSERT that everyone has a spirit? some scientist say we have no spirits that we are JUST material molecules firing off electrical signals. do they know everything there is to know here?
frankly I agree with you “A spirit is something that is in everyone” . But I’m convinced of that by my personal experience AND the words of Jesus and the prophets.

Our spirit drives all of us, but many do not know it, or use it to their advantage.
•Ok yes cool great where’s he going with this?

I think when it was figured out,
•Head Scratch, Ok “who “ “figured it out” EXACTLY. so is he saying that God didn’t really communicate clearly to anyone at any time so people, scratched around and made up stuff that seemed to “feel right” or something?
How does he come to conclusions that Some folks at some point “figured it out”. Especially if what religion presents today is "corrupted" so badly how would one know someone “figured it out" in the past? Do we pick and choose the portions of "organized religion" that appeal to us and assume that's what true?

it had to be put to the masses in a context that they could understand,
•Ok the mystery people that made up stuff that felt right dumbed it down for others?
wheres’ the history for this ? where does DogMan get this ? i know liberal theologians and atheist have promoted these kind of “bottom up” religion ideas before , is he thinking of those folks, they don’t have any solid back up for those theories it’s just non historical assumptions. Many based on the presupposition that God is not real therefore did not -cannot- ever speak.
It’s something i’ve never understood how believers could rationally adhere to. If God NEVER spoke then it’s all mans made up mishmash of mumbo jumbo some beneficial, AT TIMES, some not.. some not at ALL. so there’s NO need to take it seriously at all much. “a dumbed down made up story is STILL based on a complicated made up story or concepts.


and that context was developed by man.
• OK, more of the same , man making up stuff, claiming its "true" in some respect.

That is NOT a bad thing.
•Ok, Lying is not a bad thing, all the time, in the human context i suppose, but on the broad scale it implies that most humans won’t do well if they know the reality of the world we live in. And some elite have to lie to masses to help them along.

Religion of all kinds have helped Billions of people throughout time.
•boom, yep, And sure various religions have helped people. but it seems to me the place where they help is where the religion is inline with the truth. Treating people fairly is TRUE, if what the religion teaches is WRONG about the nature of God the fairness PORTION of the religion is STILL true. so yes it will help. but in the long run it seems to me that lies will catch up with those that believe things that are false.
I can drive on a road that’s parallel with another for miles and miles but if my road goes hard left and off a cliff at the end and the other drives into a plush garage. it doesn’t matter that i followed basically the same rules of the road. And BELIEVED that my road was the right one. Or that men in the past “figured it out… for the masses”.

But I guess I have to agree with Franco. I think that because of the influence of man upon religion, it is possible for certain things to be corrupted or perverted if you will.
•there’s no doubt about that. the real question is have we looked at the details to SEE what exactly HAS been corrupted or do we just ASSUME the level of corruption is so high that we can just make up our own views based on what other men have “figured out”?

To think that everything in the Bible or Koran is absolute and sent by God, just doesn't compute with the Dog Man.
•Doesn’t compute with me either. but it doesn’t mean that it’s not true. the question is is there enough info available to tell if the the BASIC facts and writings are true or false , made up for the masses or actually some real communications from God. Is it POSSIBLE that God could leave humanity information in written form and not allow it to become corrupted to the point where we have to dismiss it all generally? seems to me it is. If he’s God.
But If it’s really just some vague spirit that’s out there or in us or both then well who knows, it’s anyones guess.

And of course if the Bible is true then much of the Koran is not and the vague spirit pantheistic god that has few standards where trust in Jesus is optional is false as well, everyone can’t be right.

Often when i put things this way people bristle. because they’d rather not look at “religion” in the same way they look at the rest of reality.
Well if folks want to be able to choose smoothing myths, and want to assume all religions are in fact myths, or make up the type of god they like, OK they can assume that. and live in peace.
but frankly I have a bit more respect for hard core atheist that will say “this is false, not real, because of XYZ. And you should live based on the facts” rather than looking for feel good middle grounds. I used to be an agnostic. I was convinced there was not enough information available to KNOW if there was a God or not. But as i looked into it more and more I realized i was wrong. there is MORE evidence for God than not, and There is more evidence that the bible is true and uncorrupted than not.

So for my journey i really don’t put much stock in armchair dismissive notions that it’s all corrupted to the point of being generally untrue, the facts and history really don’t bear that out for Christianity and the Bible from what i've seen.

Church attendances is great but not core of religion , organized or not. It's initially about the nature of reality, and the reality of God and what we can know about him, and how to relate to him.



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There is a popular Star Wars internet meme that pops up from time to time. It talks about how, when Anakin Skywalker turned to the Dark Side and killed younglings, nobody blamed the lightsaber.

No. Nobody blamed the lightsaber. But it never should have fallen into Anakin Skywalker’s hands. Yoda, Mace Windu, and the Jedi Council could see this. They said no. They knew there was something terribly wrong with him. He shouldn’t own such a powerful weapon.

I am pretty sure he could have just used a regular sword, knife, blaster,baseball bat, his psychokinetic choke hold or any other numerous things to kill the younglings. The lightsaber is irrelevant.
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