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Old 12-19-2017, 07:37 AM
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Blame a dark and greedy sub-culture justifying itself with religion and false patriotism, while glorifying violence and promoting fear. They created the atmosphere that put this weapon in the wrong man’s hands. And it caused the deaths of countless people.

Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

Don’t let them scare you.
Why do you base the majority of your posts on your idea that people are led around by the nose and only believe what some groups say or promote.

You do realize, most posters on here have educated themselves on the subjects they discuss, they know how to think and research, and shun those who tell them what to think.

Just sayin'......
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Don't fear truth; don't hate your neighbors because your drunkard buddy told you the neighbors said they saw you pizzing in the back yard one day and you have a small d*ck...

As usual, you respond to a respectfully asked question with a crude insult. For someone who wears a cross on her sleeve your mendacity is copious.

Please answer the question. At the very least admit you don't know. But enough with the personal insults.

And for the record, I live amoung many young families with children. None have ever seen my light Sabre.
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Old 12-19-2017, 08:54 AM
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Blame a dark and greedy sub-culture justifying itself with religion and false patriotism, while glorifying violence and promoting fear. They created the atmosphere that put this weapon in the wrong man’s hands. And it caused the deaths of countless people.

Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

Don’t let them scare you.
In star wars Emperor Palpatine used the force (his personal brand of religion) and secular politics to create an all powerful government that would not just TAKE lightsabers away from GOOD people. But kill the people that used them that DID NOT work for the gov't..

The Emperor: [to the Senate] In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire, for a safe and secure society which I assure you will last for ten thousand years.
[Senate fills with enormous applause]
Padmé: [to Bail Organa] So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.
the new larger "safe and secure" making Gov't's 1st act was to try and kill the leading adherents and proponents of the more peaceful version of the SAME religion that the emperor had.

Palpatine manipulated the the free Alliance of worlds with faux threats he manufactured. And over hyped fears of evil rebels, terrorist and threats from outside like... Terrorist, Russia... North Korea... Iran ... cough... I mean break away worlds and various guilds.

It wasn't Sub-culture of patriotism, It was Palpatine's work INSIDE big gov't manufacturing false fears that consolidated the power into his religions hands , took away freedoms and placed the whole galaxy under military rule. Where stormtroppers words were law everywhere.

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backing up to Anikin killing the "youngling".
who put the weapon in his hands? THE GOV"T he was working FOR the gov't.
the order was a GOV'T order to kill everyone young and old in a RELIGIOUS temple. Anikin was accompanied by GOV'T SOLDIERS that SHOT the CHILDREN!!!

it was not some over patriotic sub culture that "put the light saber in his hands."
the FREE sub culture and religious leaders of the light side of the force DID NOT want him to have the weapon and denied him the authority PRIVATELY within their group. But the GOV'T/the Senator/Emperor pressed and insisted that he have it so that the Gov't would have a COMPLETELY LOYAL POWERFUL PAWN to use against any people of the galaxy that refused to bow to the gov't's edicts.

the OP you posted has the whole thing kind of BASS AKWARDS.

........

the Gov't/Emperor was AFRAID of the free armed religious "sub-culture" of the Jedi.

It's religion and ideals ran cross purposes to Galactic empire "big gov't" control. As did the idea of small autonomous worlds. ie state and national sovereign control rather than all powerful federal or world gov't with a single leader that promises FAUX security.

the message is clear
The Emperor: [to the Senate] In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire, for a safe and secure society which I assure you will last for ten thousand years.
[Senate fills with enormous applause]
Padmé: [to Bail Organa] So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.
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In star wars Emperor Palpatine used the force (his personal brand of religion) and secular politics to create an all powerful government that would not just TAKE lightsabers away from GOOD people. But kill the people that used them that DID NOT work for the gov't..

The Emperor: [to the Senate] In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire, for a safe and secure society which I assure you will last for ten thousand years.
[Senate fills with enormous applause]
Padmé: [to Bail Organa] So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.
the new larger "safe and secure" making Gov't's 1st act was to try and kill the leading adherents and proponents of the more peaceful version of the SAME religion that the emperor had.

Palpatine manipulated the the free Alliance of worlds with faux threats he manufactured. And over hyped fears of evil rebels, terrorist and threats from outside like... Terrorist, Russia... North Korea... Iran ... cough... I mean break away worlds and various guilds.

It wasn't Sub-culture of patriotism, It was Palpatine's work INSIDE big gov't manufacturing false fears that consolidated the power into his religions hands , took away freedoms and placed the whole galaxy under military rule. Where stormtroppers words were law everywhere.

....
backing up to Anikin killing the "youngling".
who put the weapon in his hands? THE GOV"T he was working FOR the gov't.
the order was a GOV'T order to kill everyone young and old in a RELIGIOUS temple. Anikin was accompanied by GOV'T SOLDIERS that SHOT the CHILDREN!!!

it was not some over patriotic sub culture that "put the light saber in his hands."
the FREE sub culture and religious leaders of the light side of the force DID NOT want him to have the weapon and denied him the authority PRIVATELY within their group. But the GOV'T/the Senator/Emperor pressed and insisted that he have it so that the Gov't would have a COMPLETELY LOYAL POWERFUL PAWN to use against any people of the galaxy that refused to bow to the gov't's edicts.

the OP you posted has the whole thing kind of BASS AKWARDS.

........

the Gov't/Emperor was AFRAID of the free armed religious "sub-culture" of the Jedi.

It's religion and ideals ran cross purposes to Galactic empire "big gov't" control. As did the idea of small autonomous worlds. ie state and national sovereign control rather than all powerful federal or world gov't with a single leader that promises FAUX security.

the message is clear
The Emperor: [to the Senate] In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire, for a safe and secure society which I assure you will last for ten thousand years.
[Senate fills with enormous applause]
Padmé: [to Bail Organa] So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.
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Geeking out here ...

OK so what if Palpatine or the Galactic senate had made laws to regulate the ownership of "light sabers" .
Anikin would have STILL had one since he was working for the go'vt..
Yoda would not Mace Windu would not, likely none of the Jedi would. Most likely they'd probably be labeled a dangerous armed religious cult.

News shows would probably use Count Dooku as an example of what Jedi-ism is REALLY all about. And why it's dangerous to let the religious fanatics have weapons. They'd have some poor soul that Dooku used appear on screen.
"he... he... came to me as i was working at the arms plant.... i was... was just doing my job... and he looked at me, waved his hand at me and said " i don't need to see any I.D.". and somehow i just believed him... it was crazy, I just let him walk in an out..."
Experts who've studied the Jedi cult say it was some kind of hypnotism, possibly combined with an airborne drug, not "the force" that senior Jedi Cult members uses to manipulate people against their will, and probably to recruit new members into it's secretive inner circle. If you remember your ancient history classes it was Jedi that once tyrannically ruled the galaxy. Many experts believe the light side dark side versions of the cult are actually one in the same. And the ancient goals of galactic domination by one of their own is still ultimately their goal, but now they are combining them with modern techniques, technology and politics.
Where going to a break, but Next up in studio we have Senator Palpatine with his views on the armed cult of the JEDI and the proposed new laws to get light sabers and other weapons out of the hands of non gov't individuals.
dun dunt dunnnnnnnn

Both Galactic FOX and Galactic CNN would run the same, just with more details in different place.
Either way it's cut, the final answer is big gov't going in to control the cult for safety and security.
While the people forget/don't care that undercutting the Jedi's rights.. via a religious angle or and or an arms control angle... also give the gov't the same power over their rights as well.
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Geeking out here ...

OK so what if Palpatine or the Galactic senate had made laws to regulate the ownership of "light sabers" .
Anikin would have STILL had one since he was working for the go'vt..
Yoda would not Mace Windu would not, likely none of the Jedi would. Most likely they'd probably be labeled a dangerous armed religious cult.

News shows would probably use Count Dooku as an example of what Jedi-ism is REALLY all about. And why it's dangerous to let the religious fanatics have weapons. They'd have some poor soul that Dooku used appear on screen.
"he... he... came to me as i was working at the arms plant.... i was... was just doing my job... and he looked at me, waved his hand at me and said " i don't need to see any I.D.". and somehow i just believed him... it was crazy, I just let him walk in an out..."
Experts who've studied the Jedi cult say it was some kind of hypnotism, possibly combined with an airborne drug, not "the force" that senior Jedi Cult members uses to manipulate people against their will, and probably to recruit new members into it's secretive inner circle. If you remember your ancient history classes it was Jedi that once tyrannically ruled the galaxy. Many experts believe the light side dark side versions of the cult are actually one in the same. And the ancient goals of galactic domination by one of their own is still ultimately their goal, but now they are combining them with modern techniques, technology and politics.
Where going to a break, but Next up in studio we have Senator Palpatine with his views on the armed cult of the JEDI and the proposed new laws to get light sabers and other weapons out of the hands of non gov't individuals.
dun dunt dunnnnnnnn

Both Galactic FOX and Galactic CNN would run the same, just with more details in different place.
Either way it's cut, the final answer is big gov't going in to control the cult for safety and security.
While the people forget/don't care that undercutting the Jedi's rights also give the gov't the same power over their's as well.
If the government takes all the guns, then only the government will have them. Leaving only the government "safe and secure."
Sobering.
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If the government takes all the guns, then only the government will have them. Leaving only the government "safe and secure."
Sobering.
yep,
Exactly the founders concern and a main reason for the 2nd amendment. And the reason the why the original U.S. gov't had NO standing army.

the Star Wars films touch on BOTH of these issues.
There were no Storm Troopers/Army of the Empire until Palpatine secretly created them. Cloned versions of a Merc, but with less independent thought, trained to follow orders, who's only careers being that of a professional soldier.
The only real threat to the Empire/gov't power was a private group of religious people who also trained in the use of personal self defense weapons.
The Gov't/Emperor recruited one of the up and coming from among them, gave him a vision of the Gov't as the only legit authority and used him to destroy those of his former group, with the backing of a standing army.
Sobering indeed.



While that particular film in the series isn't my favorite. I think it packs some of the best analogies to our current political system. maybe political systems in general.
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Bad religion inside and subservient to a tyrannical military dictatorship style gov't.

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I blame Ewoks. For everything.

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