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Old 12-12-2017, 12:59 PM
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The passage you refer to is Mathew 22:21 and says "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's".

In this passage, Jesus was saying to obey the law and pay your taxes. However, he was not advocating that it meant to disobey God in doing so.

As to you assertion that we could live in a non religious society, that is the antithesis of Gods teachings. We should strive to spread God's word in all area's of our lives and honor him in our deeds. To turn our backs on God to coexist within society is to dishonor him.
Yes, exactly . as I described earlier but saltwn didn't reply to. There are times when man's laws and God's conflict. At that point the believer has to choose. Obey God to the best of your understanding, or man. Jews and Christians have had this conflict since the beginning. Request/Demands of the state to bow to the leadership as the ONLY authority, to being silent about the gospel, making bibles illegal, soldiers asked to put innocent people into ovens,or in this casees here in the U.S. demanding that people help pay to kill babies,and demanding people work on clearly sinful events.

There's really little question what Christians should do in cases like that, Though its often not easy. Just going along with cultural fashions and local state edict makes for less conflict and trouble... from man. Rather than sticking close to God's OLD mindset
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The passage you refer to is Mathew 22:21 and says "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's".

In this passage, Jesus was saying to obey the law and pay your taxes. However, he was not advocating that it meant to disobey God in doing so.

As to you assertion that we could live in a non religious society, that is the antithesis of Gods teachings. We should strive to spread God's word in all area's of our lives and honor him in our deeds. To turn our backs on God to coexist within society is to dishonor him.
yes I know the passage
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Yes, exactly . as I described earlier but saltwn didn't reply to. There are times when man's laws and God's conflict. At that point the believer has to choose. Obey God to the best of your understanding, or man. Jews and Christians have had this conflict since the beginning. Request/Demands of the state to bow to the leadership as the ONLY authority, to being silent about the gospel, making bibles illegal, soldiers asked to put innocent people into ovens,or in this casees here in the U.S. demanding that people help pay to kill babies,and demanding people work on clearly sinful events.

There's really little question what Christians should do in cases like that, Though its often not easy. Just going along with cultural fashions and local state edict makes for less conflict and trouble... from man. Rather than sticking close to God's OLD mindset
you do not know why any woman takes birth control pills. nor is it your or my business. people take them to treat cysts, to regulate and reduce painful periods and to prevent babies.
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you do not know why any woman takes birth control pills. nor is it your or my business. people take them to treat cysts, to regulate and reduce painful periods and to prevent babies.
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WTH? i never mentioned "birth control pills" what are you talking about?!!
nuns. insurance doesnt cover
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nuns. insurance doesn't cover
for that matter even why an abortion is necessary is none of our business and is for medical reasons as well as convenience. we never know the persons reason. because medical privacy.
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Yes, exactly . as I described earlier but saltwn didn't reply to. There are times when man's laws and God's conflict. At that point the believer has to choose. Obey God to the best of your understanding, or man. Jews and Christians have had this conflict since the beginning. Request/Demands of the state to bow to the leadership as the ONLY authority, to being silent about the gospel, making bibles illegal, soldiers asked to put innocent people into ovens,or in this casees here in the U.S. demanding that people help pay to kill babies,and demanding people work on clearly sinful events.

There's really little question what Christians should do in cases like that, Though its often not easy. Just going along with cultural fashions and local state edict makes for less conflict and trouble... from man. Rather than sticking close to God's OLD mindset
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for that matter even why an abortion is necessary is none of our business and is for medical reasons as well as convenience. we never know the persons reason. because medical privacy.
neither ONE of those responses has ANYTHING to do with my point about How Christians are compelled by the teaching of scriptures to obey what God says rather than contrary commands of any State.

both your replies are non sequiturs Saltwn.
you may as well have responded by saying.
"Well the temperature on Mars is Colder than Earth! and it's none of your Business anyway."

So I'll ask you directly.
Do you believe that Christians are compelled by the teaching of scriptures to obey what God says rather than contrary commands/laws of the State?

that's a yes or no question.
Yes but... or No but... are cool too i guess
So you could say something like
I don't believe God teaches that Abortion and Homosexuality are wrong so there is no conflict. So it doesn't apply in those areas as far as my understanding of scripture goes.
That'd be an OK response too. And I'd be happy to debate that in a Bible study thread.

But bringing in birth control pills for nuns and insurance are SIDE SHOWS at best.
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You do realize that people are free to work for the church and are also free to NOT work for the church if they feel their edicts are in conflict with their own personal beliefs or needs? I hope you also realize that people CAN buy their own birth control regardless of their insurance.
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You do realize that people are free to work for the church and are also free to NOT work for the church if they feel their edicts are in conflict with their own personal beliefs or needs? I hope you also realize that people CAN buy their own birth control regardless of their insurance.
To take it one step further, birth control is not guaranteed in the Constitution as a civil right. Therefore, no American should be compelled to pay for it as a part of a program of protecting civil rights.

Since, in a free society, one can control their own body as a right, perhaps we should expect them to do so in what they inject, ingest and allow to happen,,,; ie pregnancy. Said another way, why must the government support expensive programs for healthy lifestyles and remediating those who indulge at the expense of those who are responsible.

One can be responsible about getting pregnant. And pay the costs of prevention or remediation ( abortion) since both are legal products and services to purchase.

Frankly, I do not see this necessarily as a matter of religious preference. I believe that nuns should not have to pay for someone's birth control because obviously nuns do not need them. Whilst it may seem responsible for a society to provide means of preventing loads of unwanted children roaming the streets, one look at the inner cities suggests that such programs, instituted over the last 70 years, have proven in effective.

Finally,,,; The left would suggest we continue to make it possible for many fathers to be "irresponsible." I would remind all that there is simply no such thing as a fatherless child.
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