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I didn't want to derail Lurpy's post about the wildfires in SoCal, so I ask this question here:

When the wild fires hit Gatlinburg TN, where lives were lost, lives devastated, homes and businesses destroyed, I read a bunch of comments on the news reports that said Gatlinburg deserved it because they were a bunch of Trump loving Republicans who didn't believe in Climate Change.

Now that SoCal (and NoCal has been hit also), has been hit and hit hard with wild fires, would it be appropriate to lash out at them because they are 'liberals'?

No. Partly because natural disasters know no political and socio-economic lines.

It was right after Trump was elected, and I know it caused a good number of people to act out like three year olds denied their favorite toys, but I was astounded, and still am, that people would take an event as such, and make it political.

The USA has been known to pull together at all levels when disaster strikes our own, and others. I'm not seeing that so much anymore.

And that is really, really sad statement about this country.
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I didn't want to derail Lurpy's post about the wildfires in SoCal, so I ask this question here:

When the wild fires hit Gatlinburg TN, where lives were lost, lives devastated, homes and businesses destroyed, I read a bunch of comments on the news reports that said Gatlinburg deserved it because they were a bunch of Trump loving Republicans who didn't believe in Climate Change.

Now that SoCal (and NoCal has been hit also), has been hit and hit hard with wild fires, would it be appropriate to lash out at them because they are 'liberals'?

No. Partly because natural disasters know no political and socio-economic lines.

It was right after Trump was elected, and I know it caused a good number of people to act out like three year olds denied their favorite toys, but I was astounded, and still am, that people would take an event as such, and make it political.

The USA has been known to pull together at all levels when disaster strikes our own, and others. I'm not seeing that so much anymore.

And that is really, really sad statement about this country.
I don't know about that GG, they pulled together during the Hurricanes. I think the Gatlinburg thing was an anomaly, you were right when you said it was Liberals acting like 3 year olds

If that happens again, I would say it is a pattern.

There are probably some crazy right wingers out there saying the same thing about California liberals.

I have a friend that lives in Ventura, he and his wife are in Indonesia now. I don't live there, so I can't check to see if his house is in danger.

Hopefully only the liberal houses will burn. ...
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I didn't want to derail Lurpy's post about the wildfires in SoCal, so I ask this question here:

When the wild fires hit Gatlinburg TN, where lives were lost, lives devastated, homes and businesses destroyed, I read a bunch of comments on the news reports that said Gatlinburg deserved it because they were a bunch of Trump loving Republicans who didn't believe in Climate Change.

Now that SoCal (and NoCal has been hit also), has been hit and hit hard with wild fires, would it be appropriate to lash out at them because they are 'liberals'?

No. Partly because natural disasters know no political and socio-economic lines.

It was right after Trump was elected, and I know it caused a good number of people to act out like three year olds denied their favorite toys, but I was astounded, and still am, that people would take an event as such, and make it political.

The USA has been known to pull together at all levels when disaster strikes our own, and others. I'm not seeing that so much anymore.

And that is really, really sad statement about this country.
is it right to protest the tax bill that restructures disaster relief to include flooding but not earth quakes?
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is it right to protest the tax bill that restructures disaster relief to include flooding but not earth quakes?
Since earthquakes are more likely in specific areas, but flooding can happen just about anywhere, why should people in non-earthquake areas pay for something that is very unlikely to happen where they are?

Just as with the tax bill eliminating (or capping) the credit for real estate taxes, why should those who choose to live in high RE tax areas get a bigger credit? I haven't itemized my deductions in about 15 years, since I'm in a relatively low RE tax area, and my mortgage is paid off.

I have a good idea of the RE taxes in NJ, which is about 10 times what I pay.

So, that all said, you feel that that everybody should have to pay in for disaster relief, to cover the most primary area that repeatedly suffers from a particular disaster. So what is that State doing with all the exorbitant taxes they collect?
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I don't know about that GG, they pulled together during the Hurricanes. I think the Gatlinburg thing was an anomaly, you were right when you said it was Liberals acting like 3 year olds

If that happens again, I would say it is a pattern.

There are probably some crazy right wingers out there saying the same thing about California liberals.

I have a friend that lives in Ventura, he and his wife are in Indonesia now. I don't live there, so I can't check to see if his house is in danger.

Hopefully only the liberal houses will burn. ...
Having family in Houston, gave me a birds eye view of what went on, and most of it was locals helping locals, with a number of other people making donations and some out of state groups sending people to help.

Donations to the Red Cross don't really count, as they will turn around and bill the people they supposedly 'helped'. A lot of that money didn't even go to the affected areas. But that's another post.

It seems in the political world, as Rahm Enamuel said, you shouldn't waste a good crisis. And that's what politicians are doing.....
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Since earthquakes are more likely in specific areas, but flooding can happen just about anywhere, why should people in non-earthquake areas pay for something that is very unlikely to happen where they are?

Just as with the tax bill eliminating (or capping) the credit for real estate taxes, why should those who choose to live in high RE tax areas get a bigger credit? I haven't itemized my deductions in about 15 years, since I'm in a relatively low RE tax area, and my mortgage is paid off.

I have a good idea of the RE taxes in NJ, which is about 10 times what I pay.

So, that all said, you feel that that everybody should have to pay in for disaster relief, to cover the most primary area that repeatedly suffers from a particular disaster. So what is that State doing with all the exorbitant taxes they collect?
oh gimme a break. Are you running for congress?
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Since earthquakes are more likely in specific areas, but flooding can happen just about anywhere, why should people in non-earthquake areas pay for something that is very unlikely to happen where they are?

Just as with the tax bill eliminating (or capping) the credit for real estate taxes, why should those who choose to live in high RE tax areas get a bigger credit? I haven't itemized my deductions in about 15 years, since I'm in a relatively low RE tax area, and my mortgage is paid off.

I have a good idea of the RE taxes in NJ, which is about 10 times what I pay.

So, that all said, you feel that that everybody should have to pay in for disaster relief, to cover the most primary area that repeatedly suffers from a particular disaster. So what is that State doing with all the exorbitant taxes they collect?
Back in the old days, people would look at the lay of the land, and say "Maybe we should build over there where it's higher in case the river floods" Now-a-days they just build anywhere they want a view. Right next to a river, or on a dirt cliff, or some low lying area. Hell, if the rest of the country has to cover their losses who cares. I think prone areas should come with higher insurance rates.

Hey good job with the paid off mortgage, my house is paid off also. Good feeling isn't it? As a rule, I think conservatives tend to pay stuff off early. My Liberal friends have good paying jobs, but they are very Liberal with their money.
One friend got 10k from his dad, cause his dad got an inheritance. Instead of paying off his car or credit card bill, he is planning a another vacation.

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Back in the old days, people would look at the lay of the land, and say "Maybe we should build over there where it's higher in case the river floods" Now-a-days they just build anywhere they want a view. Right next to a river, or on a dirt cliff, or some low lying area. Hell, if the rest of the country has to cover their losses who cares. I think prone areas should come with higher insurance rates.

Hey good job with the paid off mortgage, my house is paid off also. Good feeling isn't it? As a rule, I think conservatives tend to pay stuff off early. My Liberal friends have good paying jobs, but they are very Liberal with their money.
One friend got 10k from his dad, cause his dad got an inheritance. Instead of paying off his car or credit card bill, he is planning a another vacation.
I always did that when buying, but people don't anymore.
For one thing Houston is a sunk hole in the ground but a big port and industrial center. so I'm with you but sometimes that's not feasible.
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oh gimme a break. Are you running for congress?
What? Your post doesn't make sense.
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