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Old 11-12-2017, 11:38 AM
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Thomas Lucente: The Left: Guns bad, killing babies OK - The Lima News

An opinion piece I read this morning in a local paper.
It's a good article for open-minded people.
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Another mass shooting, another round of hysterical nonsense from cowardly leftists wanting to deprive Americans of a fundamental and natural God-given right.

The murder of 26 men, women and children by Devin P. Kelley on Nov. 5 was a tragedy. Unfortunately, in today’s America, leftists won’t even wait for the body count before launching into their tired refrain of “commonsense gun laws.”

They need a new script.

Predictably, they will cite the dead children in an effort to elicit an emotional response. Those words ring hollow coming from adherents to a political philosophy that is responsible for the deaths of nearly 60 million babies since the 1973 Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade. That includes 18 million black babies but doesn’t include the estimated 250 million chemically induced abortions during the same time period.

How can someone claim it is OK for a mother to murder her child and in the next breath rail against gun ownership as a threat to children? Abortions are measured by the millions while children gun deaths are measured by the hundreds.

Putting that illogic aside, the left’s response to every single mass shooting is to call for more gun control (funny how leftists are always calling for more “control”). Another non sequitur given that criminals don’t follow the law.

This is evident in the First Baptist shooting. Kelley had his guns illegally. He was barred, by federal and state law, from owning a firearm. Unfortunately, government bureaucrats failed to do their jobs and allowed him to buy a weapon.

Same thing happened in 2015 when white supremacist Dylan Roof, who should not have been legally allowed to own a gun, was able to purchase one because of an administrative error within the National Instant Criminal Background Check System and he killed nine people at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina.

Clearly, laws do little to deter law breakers. If passing a law was all it took to end an undesirable behavior, there would be no war on drugs.
Of course, we all know that the left’s call for gun control has very little to do with guns and everything to do with control. If the left were serious about ending mass shootings, they would advocate commonsense measures that would actually reduce violence and enhance liberties such as reducing gun restrictions.

The shooting at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, proves, once again, that the best way to end a mass murderer is an armed citizen shooting the killer center mass, preferably more than once. Indeed, nearly every mass murder is ended by someone with a gun.

Another commonality among mass shootings is that most of them take place in gun-free zones. Why that occurs seems self-evident. If one were to open fire at a shooting range, for example, he or she would not be very successful.
Still, logic has not stopped Democratic lawmakers.

Sen. Diane Feinstein, D-Calif., on Wednesday announced the reintroduction of a bill to ban so-called assault weapons and bump stocks. Assault weapon is a made-up classification that has nothing to do with the lethality of a weapon, only how scary a gun looks.

The bill would ban the sale and manufacture of 205 different weapons, including the AR-15, which is the modern-day musket and the same weapon used by Stephen Willeford, the former NRA instructor who engaged Kelley and prevented further deaths.

During the presidential election, the Washington Post, which can’t be accused of being pro-gun, published an investigation that demonstrated that none of the recent mass shootings would have been stopped by any gun proposal being advocated by the gun-grabbers.

If we are going to get serious about reducing gun violence, the leftists will first have to get rid of their gun-free paradise fantasy. It is not going to happen. There are 300 million guns in the United States and a gun culture that dates back to colonial days.

The guns are here to stay. There is absolutely no way to eliminate them without a war on the American people.
None.

Besides, the reality is, the United States has a low murder rate, about the middle of the pack worldwide. Many countries with more restrictive gun laws than the United States still have much higher murder and violent crime rates, which proves, as the saying goes, there is more than one way to skin a cat.

If saving lives is the agenda, then gun violence should not even be on the radar as it is not even in the top 10 causes of death in the United States. Indeed, about 900,000 babies are legally killed every year while there are only about 8,000 gun murders in a nation of 326 million people.

It’s clear where our priorities should rest.
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Many countries with more restrictive gun laws than the United States still have much higher murder and violent crime rates, which proves, as the saying goes, there is more than one way to skin a cat.
Something any number of us have been saying for ages.

A gun is a tool, just like any other. It's a matter of who wields it.
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Thomas Lucente: The Left: Guns bad, killing babies OK - The Lima News

An opinion piece I read this morning in a local paper.
It's a good article for open-minded people.


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Another mass shooting, another round of hysterical nonsense from cowardly leftists wanting to deprive Americans of a fundamental and natural God-given right.

The murder of 26 men, women and children by Devin P. Kelley on Nov. 5 was a tragedy. Unfortunately, in today’s America, leftists won’t even wait for the body count before launching into their tired refrain of “commonsense gun laws.”

They need a new script.

Predictably, they will cite the dead children in an effort to elicit an emotional response. Those words ring hollow coming from adherents to a political philosophy that is responsible for the deaths of nearly 60 million babies since the 1973 Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade. That includes 18 million black babies but doesn’t include the estimated 250 million chemically induced abortions during the same time period.

How can someone claim it is OK for a mother to murder her child and in the next breath rail against gun ownership as a threat to children? Abortions are measured by the millions while children gun deaths are measured by the hundreds.

Putting that illogic aside, the left’s response to every single mass shooting is to call for more gun control (funny how leftists are always calling for more “control”). Another non sequitur given that criminals don’t follow the law.

This is evident in the First Baptist shooting. Kelley had his guns illegally. He was barred, by federal and state law, from owning a firearm. Unfortunately, government bureaucrats failed to do their jobs and allowed him to buy a weapon.

Same thing happened in 2015 when white supremacist Dylan Roof, who should not have been legally allowed to own a gun, was able to purchase one because of an administrative error within the National Instant Criminal Background Check System and he killed nine people at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina.

Clearly, laws do little to deter law breakers. If passing a law was all it took to end an undesirable behavior, there would be no war on drugs.
Of course, we all know that the left’s call for gun control has very little to do with guns and everything to do with control. If the left were serious about ending mass shootings, they would advocate commonsense measures that would actually reduce violence and enhance liberties such as reducing gun restrictions.

The shooting at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, proves, once again, that the best way to end a mass murderer is an armed citizen shooting the killer center mass, preferably more than once. Indeed, nearly every mass murder is ended by someone with a gun.

Another commonality among mass shootings is that most of them take place in gun-free zones. Why that occurs seems self-evident. If one were to open fire at a shooting range, for example, he or she would not be very successful.
Still, logic has not stopped Democratic lawmakers.

Sen. Diane Feinstein, D-Calif., on Wednesday announced the reintroduction of a bill to ban so-called assault weapons and bump stocks. Assault weapon is a made-up classification that has nothing to do with the lethality of a weapon, only how scary a gun looks.

The bill would ban the sale and manufacture of 205 different weapons, including the AR-15, which is the modern-day musket and the same weapon used by Stephen Willeford, the former NRA instructor who engaged Kelley and prevented further deaths.

During the presidential election, the Washington Post, which can’t be accused of being pro-gun, published an investigation that demonstrated that none of the recent mass shootings would have been stopped by any gun proposal being advocated by the gun-grabbers.

If we are going to get serious about reducing gun violence, the leftists will first have to get rid of their gun-free paradise fantasy. It is not going to happen. There are 300 million guns in the United States and a gun culture that dates back to colonial days.

The guns are here to stay. There is absolutely no way to eliminate them without a war on the American people.
None.

Besides, the reality is, the United States has a low murder rate, about the middle of the pack worldwide. Many countries with more restrictive gun laws than the United States still have much higher murder and violent crime rates, which proves, as the saying goes, there is more than one way to skin a cat.

If saving lives is the agenda, then gun violence should not even be on the radar as it is not even in the top 10 causes of death in the United States. Indeed, about 900,000 babies are legally killed every year while there are only about 8,000 gun murders in a nation of 326 million people.

It’s clear where our priorities should rest.
"It's a good article for open-minded people."

The first thing that an "open minded" person would notice is that it's laced with false statements and ill-conceived conclusions.

First and foremost "babies" exist after birth and not before birth.

Merriam-Webster:
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Definition of baby
plural babies
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a (1) :an extremely young child; especially :infant (2) :an extremely young animal
b :the youngest of a group He is the baby of the family.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/baby

Abortions do not relate to "babies" and have never related to babies.

Next is the fact that if properly enforced many gun control laws are effective. It's when they're not enforced that unnecessary gun violence can and too often does occur.

The Constitutionally protected rights we enjoy are exclusively related to the "person" and "personhood" has never existed prior to birth in any known historical civilization. This was expressly addressed by the US Supreme Court in it's Roe v Wade decision. There's only one "person" with Constitutionally protected rights when addressing the issue of abortion and that's the women. There are no Constitutionally protected "rights" prior to birth because the person, based upon the historical definition of the person throughout recorded history, does not exist until birth.

Gun control laws can only be effective if properly enforced. In the case of Dylann Roof and the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church murders the gun control laws were not properly enforced. In the Texas Baptist Church mass murder by Devin Kelley the gun control laws were not properly enforced.

There are effective gun control laws and regulations that do prevent murders and gun violence if they're properly enforced. There are also additional gun control laws and regulations that can be imposed that will also prevent murders and gun violence if enacted if properly enforced.

That doesn't imply that every half-witted idea coming from some extremist Democrats would be effective if enforced but it does mean that there are numerous laws and regulations that can be imposed without violating anyone's Second Amendment's rights.

Note: Only an idiot would claim that an AR-15 is the modern equivalent to a musket. Get serious people.
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Gun control laws can only be effective if properly enforced. In the case of Dylann Roof and the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church murders the gun control laws were not properly enforced. In the Texas Baptist Church mass murder by Devin Kelley the gun control laws were not properly enforced.
I would like to know how, in the name of Mohammed's butthole, is the law supposed to prevent normal people from turning psycho?
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Gun control laws can only be effective if properly enforced. In the case of Dylann Roof and the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church murders the gun control laws were not properly enforced. In the Texas Baptist Church mass murder by Devin Kelley the gun control laws were not properly enforced.

There are effective gun control laws and regulations that do prevent murders and gun violence if they're properly enforced. There are also additional gun control laws and regulations that can be imposed that will also prevent murders and gun violence if enacted if properly enforced.
And yet, Shiva, You and the left propose that the government be given more power to enact laws that will not be enforced.

Until the government demonstrates an ability to not screw up the laws we already have we should be reducing their power, not giving them more.
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Thomas Lucente: The Left: Guns bad, killing babies OK - The Lima News

An opinion piece I read this morning in a local paper.
It's a good article for open-minded people.
well to be fair we have never legally determined when a fetus is a citizen. we should
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Thomas Lucente: The Left: Guns bad, killing babies OK - The Lima News

An opinion piece I read this morning in a local paper.
It's a good article for open-minded people.
IMO attempting to equate abortion with gun issues is a loser for both.

And I'm open minded to a point. But I don't regard disagreeing with someone being close minded on the point.
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And yet, Shiva, You and the left propose that the government be given more power to enact laws that will not be enforced.

Until the government demonstrates an ability to not screw up the laws we already have we should be reducing their power, not giving them more.
I'm trying to remember who was the anti-gun doowah who wanted more gun control laws passed, because the present ones were not doing any good, or something similar.
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First and foremost "babies" exist after birth and not before birth.


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Next is the fact that if properly enforced many gun control laws are effective. It's when they're not enforced that unnecessary gun violence can and too often does occur.
When a woman is pregnant, she is going to have a baby.
Gun control laws don't work.
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When a woman is pregnant, she is going to have a baby.
Precisely why I pull out.

Great article btw.
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