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And none of these organizations have anything to do with wages or working conditions. Especially the CoC, which is a marketing and promotional group, with some networking benefits. I worked for a CoC for three years.

You're reaching.
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Solidarity for rights. Employers belong to strong associations ; why do you think that is?
And when unions were battered in the eighties yes we did lose some rights/ laws WERE changed and it wasn't even announced broadly.
Minimum wage stopped increasing for 12 years skip 8 then stopped another 8.
That right there hurt our middle class. As wages stagnated on the minimal level they went down for more skilled work. With weak unions there was no competition for these tactics.
Solidarity for rights? Exactly what 'rights' would that be?

Minimum wage is not a factor in 'middle class', I'm not quite sure who that makes minimum wage classifies themselves as 'middle class', unless you are talking about the under 18 group. A rather entertaining thought though.
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Solidarity for rights. Employers belong to strong associations ; why do you think that is?
And when unions were battered in the eighties yes we did lose some rights/ laws WERE changed and it wasn't even announced broadly.
Minimum wage stopped increasing for 12 years skip 8 then stopped another 8.
That right there hurt our middle class. As wages stagnated on the minimal level they went down for more skilled work. With weak unions there was no competition for these tactics.
Private sector union membership has been declining for decades due to worker votes in certification elections. When workers were given a chance to express their preference by secret ballot they reject the Union alternative frequently. Union bosses understand the likelihood of desertification from the workers they "represent" so they vigorously oppose periodic votes by the workers.

Union growth has been almost entirely in the public sector where union "representatives " on the public payroll together with union money and in kind contributions have created office holder puppets dedicated to serving union bosses instead of the public. In union infested state and local governments workers are required to pay union dues as a tax for holding a public sector job.
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Those are your strong employer associations?

What do they do that indicates their strength?
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you would be the exception.
I shouldn't be, but evidently some folk think less of themselves so they let a union determine their worth.
Sad.
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And none of these organizations have anything to do with wages or working conditions. Especially the CoC, which is a marketing and promotional group, with some networking benefits. I worked for a CoC for three years.

You're reaching.
Of course they have nothing to do with wages! They are employer based clubs. They are formed to look out for the employer. Because banding together gives each strength.
Unions are formed to look out for workers.
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Solidarity for rights? Exactly what 'rights' would that be?

Minimum wage is not a factor in 'middle class', I'm not quite sure who that makes minimum wage classifies themselves as 'middle class', unless you are talking about the under 18 group. A rather entertaining thought though.
I said it right there in my post you quoted:
As wages stagnated on the minimal level they went down for more skilled work.
Wages went DOWN
They are up a little
My nephew moved to Ohio to take an $18/hr job, a wage that we saw in the late 70s for his same skill.
That is the reality.
Strong unions are a balance to corporate greed.
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I shouldn't be, but evidently some folk think less of themselves so they let a union determine their worth.
Sad.
that's just messed up thinking.
why would you ok business associations and not unions?
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that's just messed up thinking.
why would you ok business associations and not unions?
Salty, closed shop businesses are illegal monopolies.
Closed shop unions are state sanctioned monopolies.

I have no problem with unions, until the union and the government tells me I must be a union member to be employable. Then I have a problem.

Union membership is declining because when people are given a choice, they often choose to negotiate their worth on their own, don't like their dollars going to political candidates they don't support, or don't want to pay union dues.

Business associations are completely voluntary organizations and do not price fix. In fact, companies are competing for the same dollar.

I alluded to beans. Walk into any store you will shelves of competing beans. Prices, styles, size of cans. Dozens of them.

Attend any COC meeting you'll see bunches of business associated people. A few of which are involved in beans. What you won't see is groups of people standing around plotting to demand that stores pay more for beans.

There is no comparison.

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Salty, closed shop businesses are illegal monopolies.
Closed shop unions are state sanctioned monopolies.

I have no problem with unions, until the union and the government tells me I must be a union member to be employable. Then I have a problem.

Union membership is declining because when people are given a choice, they often choose to negotiate their worth on their own, don't like their dollars going to political candidates they don't support, or don't want to pay union dues.

Business associations are completely voluntary organizations and do not price fix. In fact, companies are competing for the same dollar.

I alluded to beans. Walk into any store you will shelves of competing beans. Prices, styles, size of cans. Dozens of them.

Attend any COC meeting you'll see bunches of business associated people. A few of which are involved in beans. What you won't see is groups of people standing around plotting to demand that stores pay more for beans.

There is no comparison.
no ot dwindled when presidents interfered in private company and private worker negotiations.
people have been propagandized since the 80s about this.
before that and before labor laws workers heads were beaten in by company goons and no one was charged for it.
read some history and truly know your worth.
if your company has no union fine. if you work for one with a union fine by me.
what you will see in wally world is people having no seniority and doing the job of three people then getting replaced by newcomers for less wages. screwed out of retirement and shiddy benefits
you wanna pee out your eyes for a multi billion dollar corporation that treats workers the way their government lets them fine
chinese workers are locked in and America is the only non union Nissan plant.
why? cause mississippians were propagandized just like you.
we used to share in a good economy. no more
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