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America's Second Civil War




By Dennis Prager
January 24, 2017
It is time for our society to acknowledge a sad truth: America is currently fighting its second Civil War.
In fact, with the obvious and enormous exception of attitudes toward slavery, Americans are more divided morally, ideologically and politically today than they were during the Civil War. For that reason, just as the Great War came to be known as World War I once there was World War II, the Civil War will become known as the First Civil War when more Americans come to regard the current battle as the Second Civil War.

This Second Civil War, fortunately, differs in another critically important way: It has thus far been largely nonviolent. But given increasing left-wing violence, such as riots, the taking over of college presidents' offices and the illegal occupation of state capitols, nonviolence is not guaranteed to be a permanent characteristic of the Second Civil War.
There are those on both the left and right who call for American unity. But these calls are either naive or disingenuous. Unity was possible between the right and liberals, but not between the right and the left.
Liberalism -- which was anti-left, pro-American and deeply committed to the Judeo-Christian foundations of America; and which regarded the melting pot as the American ideal, fought for free speech for its opponents, regarded Western civilization as the greatest moral and artistic human achievement and viewed the celebration of racial identity as racism -- is now affirmed almost exclusively on the right and among a handful of people who don't call themselves conservative.

The left, however, is opposed to every one of those core principles of liberalism.
Like the left in every other country, the left in America essentially sees America as a racist, xenophobic, colonialist, imperialist, warmongering, money-worshipping, moronically religious nation.
Just as in Western Europe, the left in America seeks to erase America's Judeo-Christian foundations. The melting pot is regarded as nothing more than an anti-black, anti-Muslim, anti-Hispanic meme. The left suppresses free speech wherever possible for those who oppose it, labeling all non-left speech "hate speech." To cite only one example, if you think Shakespeare is the greatest playwright or Bach is the greatest composer, you are a proponent of dead white European males and therefore racist.
Without any important value held in common, how can there be unity between left and non-left? Obviously, there cannot.

There will be unity only when the left vanquishes the right or the right vanquishes the left. Using the First Civil War analogy, American unity was achieved only after the South was vanquished and slavery was abolished.
How are those of us who oppose left-wing nihilism -- there is no other word for an ideology that holds Western civilization and America's core values in contempt -- supposed to unite with "educators" who instruct elementary school teachers to cease calling their students "boys" and "girls" because that implies gender identity? With English departments that don't require reading Shakespeare in order to receive a degree in English? With those who regard virtually every war America has fought as imperialist and immoral? With those who regard the free market as a form of oppression? With those who want the state to control as much of American life as possible? With those who repeatedly tell America and its black minority that the greatest problems afflicting black Americans are caused by white racism, "white privilege" and "systemic racism"? With those who think that the nuclear family ideal is inherently misogynistic and homophobic? With those who hold that Israel is the villain in the Middle East? With those who claim that the term "Islamic terrorist" is an expression of religious bigotry?
The third significant difference between the First and Second Civil Wars is that in the Second Civil war, one side has been doing nearly all the fighting. That is how it has been able to take over schools -- from elementary schools, to high schools, to universities -- and indoctrinate America's young people; how it has taken over nearly all the news media; and how it has taken over entertainment media.
The conservative side has lost on every one of these fronts because it has rarely fought back with anything near the ferocity with which the left fights. Name a Republican politician who has run against the left as opposed to running solely against his or her Democratic opponent. And nearly all American conservatives, people who are proud of America and affirm its basic tenets, readily send their children to schools that indoctrinate their children against everything the parents hold precious. A mere handful protest when their child's teacher ceases calling their son a boy or their daughter a girl, or makes "slave owner" the defining characteristic of the Founding Fathers.
With the defeat of the left in the last presidential election, the defeat of the left in two-thirds of the gubernatorial elections and the defeat of the left in a majority of House and Senate elections, this is likely the last chance liberals, conservatives and the right have to defeat the American left. But it will not happen until these groups understand that we are fighting for the survival of America no less than the Union troops were in the First Civil War.
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Time to get serious and take back the country from the left like we mean it.

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caused by the stop obama movement
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caused by the stop obama movement
I hope you read and understood this piece.

As for a civil war, your side will loose, big time. At first it might look good in the cities were the left lives. But soon the food runs out, and they scatter like mice. Then we kill them one at a time..

Don't do this to your people, don't provoke the fight. You will not like the results.

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caused by the stop obama movement
While Trump is a twit, your Obama is a faultless, non-racially motivated, non-divisionary, demi-god. We get this.

Now wake up and observe reality. This started long before Trump, or Obama. It started somewhere around 1930 with FDR.....

Make them dependent, tell them you were helping them, and you had voters for life.....
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...."educators" who instruct elementary school teachers to cease calling their students "boys" and "girls" because that implies gender identity?
I still say that the left is not truly fighting for LBGQRTXASLASK>FAL rights as it is attacking the morals of the right and our Judeo-Christian values. In fact, I will go so far as to say that the Political Correctness movement was simply a way to erode Christian values by shaming anyone that didn't play along.
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I still say that the left is not truly fighting for LBGQRTXASLASK>FAL rights as it is attacking the morals of the right and our Judeo-Christian values. In fact, I will go so far as to say that the Political Correctness movement was simply a way to erode Christian values by shaming anyone that didn't play along.
And, based on Sal Alynski's playbook, you would be right.
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America's Second Civil War

By Dennis Prager
January 24, 2017
It is time for our society to acknowledge a sad truth: America is currently fighting its second Civil War.
In fact, with the obvious and enormous exception of attitudes toward slavery, Americans are more divided morally, ideologically and politically today than they were during the Civil War. For that reason, just as the Great War came to be known as World War I once there was World War II, the Civil War will become known as the First Civil War when more Americans come to regard the current battle as the Second Civil War.

This Second Civil War, fortunately, differs in another critically important way: It has thus far been largely nonviolent. But given increasing left-wing violence, such as riots, the taking over of college presidents' offices and the illegal occupation of state capitols, nonviolence is not guaranteed to be a permanent characteristic of the Second Civil War.

There are those on both the left and right who call for American unity. But these calls are either naive or disingenuous. Unity was possible between the right and liberals, but not between the right and the left.

Liberalism -- which was anti-left, pro-American and deeply committed to the Judeo-Christian foundations of America; and which regarded the melting pot as the American ideal, fought for free speech for its opponents, regarded Western civilization as the greatest moral and artistic human achievement and viewed the celebration of racial identity as racism -- is now affirmed almost exclusively on the right and among a handful of people who don't call themselves conservative.

The left, however, is opposed to every one of those core principles of liberalism.

There will be unity only when the left vanquishes the right or the right vanquishes the left. Using the First Civil War analogy, American unity was achieved only after the South was vanquished and slavery was abolished.

Time to get serious and take back the country from the left like we mean it.

Regards, Kirk
What a gross distortion of the truth that doesn't even use what I'd refer to as equitability in the use of terms.

When the opinion states, is Left is "opposed to every one of those core principles of liberalism" it's referring to the limited violent extremists such as Antifa (communists and anarchists) opposed to the Constitutional government of the United States and not to liberal Democrats.

On the opposite end is the "Right" that's comprised of the violent Neo-Nazi White Supremacists of the KKK, the godfather of all Neo-Nazi White Supremacists groups, that are opposed to the Constitutional government of the United States and the ideology upon which America was founded.

The two violent groups, the "Left" and the "Right", that represent the threat of a violent "civil war" in the United States cannot coexist but they don't represent America or the American people. Both the "Left" and "Right" need to be vanquished.

Antifa (that I'll use to represent the violent and anti-Constitutional Left) and the KKK (that I'll use to represent the violent and anti-Constitutional Right) are the enemies of the People of the United States regardless of political party.

If we're going to address this topic then we need clear terminology and we can use Left and Right in addressing the violent anti-Constitutional extremism of Antifa and the KKK.

Excluding the violent extremists of the United States, the KKK and AntiFa, the balance of Americans are nonviolent Constitutionalists that fall into three groups; Liberals, Centralists, and Conservatives and are generally divided into our two-party system into Democrats and those that lean Democratic and Republicans and those that lean Republican during our elections.

Liberals, Centralists, and Conservatives can live together and must live together for America to survive.

The Civil War was used as an analogy but it's misrepresented. The historical fact it was promoted by a very small group of extremist Right "Neo-Nazi White Supremacist" that used propaganda (lies based upon half-truths) to initiated a treasonous armed rebellion against the authority of the Constitutional government of the United States. The extremist "right" was able to secure the support of the "conservatives" in the South with propaganda predominately based upon false claims of "States Rights" that were never threatened.

Most Confederate soldiers, that took up arms against the Constitutional government of the United States and committing the act of treason in the process, were not slave holders or white supremacists but they were conned into supporting the treason based upon their loyalty to their State and the White Supremacist lie that the rights of their State were being violated by the federal government. They went to war, committing treason, for the White (WASP Male) Supremacists to impose a tyrannical "Fascist" government that they didn't really believe in.

It is this historical fact that provides the warning for us today. The actual extremist Left, the AntiFa, and the extremist Right, the KKK, only have the direct support of 1%-2% of all Americans but they gain the sympathy for their cause based upon their propaganda (Lies based upon half-truths) of a much greater percentage of the American people.

We've seen this across the nation over the last year or so from both sides.

During the Presidential campaign conservatives that supported Donald Trump cheered when he stated he was going to Ban Muslims and his crowd cheered. Trump was advocating the KKK agenda of religious intolerance. "Conservatives" don't advocate religious intolerance. Whether Trump actually believes in religious intolerance is irrelevant because all he cared about was that when he said, "Ban Muslims" the "conservative" audience cheered. They'd been sucked in by KKK religious intolerance based upon propaganda (lies based upon half-truths) that Muslims represented the terrorist threat to the United States when, in fact, the KKK has always been the primary threat of terrorism in the United States.

On the opposite end we've seen numerous cases where violence has broken out at Black Lives Matters events. Black Lives Matters opposes violence and opposing violence is the primary purpose for the existence of BLM. You can't end violence by creating more violence. Unfortunately there are "liberals" that have taken a page from the "AntiFa" playbook that it's acceptable to protest violence using violence. It's not acceptable but AntiFa rationalizes the violence in it's propaganda and some liberals have been sucked in by the propaganda. At the protest outside of Tuesday's Trump rally in Phoenix, near the end, some protesters began throwing things at the police. The police were not the problem and the protesters weren't there to protest the police. Trump was the problem for the protestors and those that began throwing things at the police were the "enemies" of those protesting Trump. They were the enemies of all Americans.

The violence of the "Left" (AntiFa) and the "Right" (KKK) must be opposed by the Liberals, Centralists, and Conservatives in America. We cannot sympathize with their agenda or get sucked in by their propaganda. We need our political leaders to call upon all of us to address both the "Left" and "Right" at every opportunity.

A perfect example was the recent "KKK" demonstration in Charlottesville. The "KKK" secured the permit to demonstrate and their demonstration had nothing to do with the statues. It was exclusively about Neo-Nazi White Supremacy and it was literally a terrorist demonstration targeting Jews. The key was we knew about the KKK demonstration in advance. We also knew that it was likely to bring out AntiFa in response.

Both of our enemies were going to be at the same place at the same time and it was a call for all of the Liberals, Centralists, and Conservatives to show up in force as a counter-demonstration to both the KKK and Antifa.

The KKK is already planning future demonstrations, and the AntiFa can be expected to show up as well, and it's time for the Conservatives, Centralists, and Liberals to show up at these planned events, lock our arms together as Americans, and to peacefully protest the extremism of "AntiFa" and the "KKK" together.

The KKK unquestionably opposes the Left.
Antifa unquestionably opposes the Right.

The problem with Dennis Prager, in his opinion article, is that he's siding with the KKK to condemn AntiFa and we can't side with either the KKK or AntiFa. We cannot confuse the violent extremist Left with Liberals and we can't confuse the violent extremist Right with Conservatives.

The KKK is not the enemy of my enemy and they are not my friend.
Antifia is not the enemy of my enemy and they are not my friend.

The KKK and AntiFa are the enemy and our friends are the Liberals, Centralists, and Conservatives of America that oppose the violence and these "traitors" to the Constitution of the United States.
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And this is why debate gets shut down...This disgusting and offensive lie...

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When the opinion states, is Left is "opposed to every one of those core principles of liberalism" it's referring to the limited violent extremists such as Antifa (communists and anarchists) opposed to the Constitutional government of the United States and not to liberal Democrats.

On the opposite end is the "Right" that's comprised of the violent Neo-Nazi White Supremacists of the KKK, the godfather of all Neo-Nazi White Supremacists groups, that are opposed to the Constitutional government of the United States and the ideology upon which America was founded.
Notice how the "violent extremists" on the Left get downplayed as "limited"....

"Only a few!!!! Pay no attention!!!!"...

But when discussing the Right, there is NO such distinction...EVERYONE is guilty...

The Anti-Defamation League puts the 2016 total of Klansmen at 3000...Even the disgusting Southern Poverty Law Center puts the number at 6000...

But Shiva puts forth that the Right is "comprised of"....NOT "limited"...NOT "partially"...COMPRISED...

Also, instead of understanding or pointing out that the other 99.99999% of the Right hates them, they are treated as supporters instead...

There is and will be no legitimate debate when the opposition to any argument starts with such disgusting hate and venom as to give guilt to 60 million people based on the actions of less .000001 of them...

All the while there is NO denouncements of the Left's violence from the media nor their brethren Democrat politicos......Some have even tried to equate the with World War II veterans, much the same way Michael Moore called anti-American forces in Iraq "Freedom Fighters"...Even the group behind the actions of a Dallas cop-killer gets invited to the White House...

So pushing a debate along with a starting point of "Up is East; South is West: is not only wrong, but offensive...
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While Trump is a twit, your Obama is a faultless, non-racially motivated, non-divisionary, demi-god. We get this.

Now wake up and observe reality. This started long before Trump, or Obama. It started somewhere around 1930 with FDR.....

Make them dependent, tell them you were helping them, and you had voters for life.....
you know? I get frustrated and tired of people trying to rewrite history especially about FDR. I didn't only read about him; I got the straight dope from them that was there.
people talking over coffee or beers at my parent's restaurant and later when they visited our home after the restaurant was sold.
musicians, rail workers, painters, second tier entertainers and housewives.
one thing they had in common with others I've met from the same generation is they all warned about the dangers of propaganda.
I see it today and it makes me sick. those people loved fdr as a savior yes.
he didn't start w social full out programs ; he tried to appease republicans much like obama did. until he saw starvation then he hired people to do the full monty of jobs etc.
it's like talking to a wall though so have a nice day
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