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Old 08-30-2017, 02:38 AM
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And this is why debate gets shut down...This disgusting and offensive lie...

Notice how the "violent extremists" on the Left get downplayed as "limited"....

"Only a few!!!! Pay no attention!!!!"...

But when discussing the Right, there is NO such distinction...EVERYONE is guilty...

The Anti-Defamation League puts the 2016 total of Klansmen at 3000...Even the disgusting Southern Poverty Law Center puts the number at 6000...

But Shiva puts forth that the Right is "comprised of"....NOT "limited"...NOT "partially"...COMPRISED...

Also, instead of understanding or pointing out that the other 99.99999% of the Right hates them, they are treated as supporters instead...

There is and will be no legitimate debate when the opposition to any argument starts with such disgusting hate and venom as to give guilt to 60 million people based on the actions of less .000001 of them...

All the while there is NO denouncements of the Left's violence from the media nor their brethren Democrat politicos......Some have even tried to equate the with World War II veterans, much the same way Michael Moore called anti-American forces in Iraq "Freedom Fighters"...Even the group behind the actions of a Dallas cop-killer gets invited to the White House...

So pushing a debate along with a starting point of "Up is East; South is West: is not only wrong, but offensive...
Instead of addressing the problem let's play semantics,

How many registered members of the KKK are there literally? Who the hell cares. The KKK was the "grandfather" of dozens of differently named white nationalist/white supremacy groups from the Aryan Nations (and a dozen splinter groups) to the American Nazi Party.

Let's roll them all together, many of which don't even have "member lists" where you can get a head count, and just make a simple summary statement based upon the grand-daddy of them all. The "KKK" is the oldest and bloodiest terrorist group in the Unite States. The founding of the KKK was to continue the lost cause of the Confederacy that was a treasonous insurrection against the Constitutional government of the United States.

The KKK, and it's many other arms with different labels, continues that same ideology of opposition to the Constitutional government of the United States and that extremist ideology represents the primary threat for acts of terrorism in the Unite States today according to the majority of law enforcement groups.

Within a ten day span we had an bombing of a Muslim Mosque in Minnesota, a Neo-Nazi White Supremacist attack non-violent protesters in Charlottesville killing one and sending 19 to the hospital, and an attempted bombing of a bank in Oklahoma City. Three terrorists attacks by the "far-right" where the KKK is the grandfather of this far right extremism.

I live in a small Arizona town that's never been threatened by Islamic terrorists but a group of White Supremacists from Idaho drove into town and started a gun fight with our local city police.

There's no defense intended or implied for the actions of AntiFa that threaten America but it's by no means comparable to the threat that White Nationalism represents.

Here's the really scary part.

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Nine percent of Americans say neo-Nazi and white supremacist views are acceptable, according to a new survey conducted in the days after the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville.

While an overwhelming 83% of Americans said they opposed the far-right ideology, 9% said it was acceptable. The remaining 8% said they had no opinion, according to a Washington Post- ABC poll.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.3430885

It's not the "members" that represent the greatest threat, it's those Americans that believe being "anti-American" is "acceptable" in the United States. Not only do 9% expressly state it's acceptable to be violently opposed to our government but there's also 8% that don't have an opinion. What the hell does it mean when a person that "claims to be an America" doesn't have an opinion about the violent "anti-Americans" in the United States?

Yes, AntiFa is a threat to America but it just doesn't have the following or the history that the KKK and it's splinter extremist right wing anti-American groups.

We're comparing Hitler and Stalin as far as ideologies and both are a threat but the greatest threat comes from "Hitler" (KKK) and not "Stalin" {AntiFa).

So please, don't play word games, and instead stop trying to defend the KKK by focusing on AntiFa. They're both on the same side of "Anti-American" and as opposed to the Democrats that are very much Americans because they believe in the US Constitution and the Rule of Law that prevents them from even considering Anti-American violence. The only question is whether the Republicans are "Americans" that believe in the Constitution and the Rule of Law that prohibits the use of violence to achieve political objectives?
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Yes, AntiFa is a threat to America but it just doesn't have the following or the history that the KKK and it's splinter extremist right wing anti-American groups.
This is the part of your post that makes the rest irrelevant.

The KKK has history, and that is about it. ANTIFA on the other hand is a Global organization funded by George Soros and others bent on one world order and Government, toppling ours to get there.

Compared to the KKK, at maybe 3-5000 members, founded by Democrats, ANTIFA is a giant, and much, much more dangerous.

SO you got nothin'

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This is the part of your post that makes the rest irrelevant.

The KKK has history, and that is about it. ANTIFA on the other hand is a Global organization funded by George Soros and others bent on one world order and Government, toppling ours to get there.

Compared to the KKK, at maybe 3-5000 members, founded by Democrats, ANTIFA is a giant, and much, much more dangerous.

SO you got nothin'

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White Nationalism/White Supremacy has a "global" following. Europe is being overrun by White Nationalists/White Supremacists today.
https://saboteur365.wordpress.com/20...her-countries/

There's about as much evidence of George Soros funding ANTIFA as there is of the Koch Brothers funding white nationalism/white supremacy.

Once again it doesn't matter how many people are literally members of ANTIFA or of the dozens of radical right white nationalism/white supremacy hate groups in America. They're all anti-Americans and the enemies of the American People.

The KKK was founded by extremist right wing social conservatives at the end of the Civil War with the expressed purpose of extending the era of white nationalism/white supremacy (the existing social, economic, and political institutions that were controlled by WASP Men) in violation of the 14th and 15th Amendments to the US Constitution. They were opposed to the social liberalism ushered in by Abraham Lincoln that was the first "Republican" president and the took control of part of (not all of the) Democratic Party.

The extremist ideology, not the political party, created the KKK. Today the KKK is aligned with the social conservatism of the Republican Party. Just ask David Duke, the former Grand Wizard of the KKK and co-organizer of the KKK/Alt-Right Neo-Nazi White Supremacist terrorist demonstration in Charlottesville, if you doubt me. We can also see this same Neo-Nazi white nationalism/white supremacy coming from the Republican White House that emanates from the KKK/Alt-Right by looking at the events in Charlottesville.

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When white nationalists descended upon the historic Virginia city to protest the removal of a statue of Confederate general Robert E. Lee, their “Unite the Right” rally gathered a veritable who’s who of top neo-Nazis in the United States, including Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke and alt-right leading light Richard Spencer, among others.
The "Unite The Right" (Unite the White) rally had absolutely nothing to do with protesting the removal of the Robert E Lee monument. It was an organized event by the Neo-Nazi White Nationalists/White supremacy groups to "terrorize" non-WASP people in America with it's focus in American Jews.

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They immediately went after the Jews. At their Friday night rally at the University of Virginia, the white nationalists brandished torches and chanted anti-Semitic and Nazi slogans, including “blood and soil” (an English rendering of the Nazi “blut und boden”) and “Jews will not replace us” — all crafted to cast Jews as foreign interlopers who need to be expunged. The attendees proudly displayed giant swastikas and wore shirts emblazoned with quotes from Adolf Hitler. One banner read, “Jews are Satan’s children.”

“The truth is,” Duke told a large crowd Saturday, “the American media, and the American political system, and the American Federal Reserve, is dominated by a tiny minority: the Jewish Zionist cause.” Addressing another group, Richard Spencer mocked Charlottesville’s Jewish mayor, Mike Signer. “Little Mayor Signer — ‘See-ner’ — how do you pronounce this little creep’s name?” Spencer asked. The crowd responded by chanting, “Jew, Jew, Jew.” In TV interviews, attendees were not shy about their anti-Semitism.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.517bd56ca69f

During the actual Neo-Nazi white nationalist/white supremacist march there wasn't a single statement made or any signs of protest against the removal of the Robert E Lee monument. Instead the "Unite the Right (White)" protestors marched together, some of them armed and openly carrying firearms, united in their Anti-Semitic chants of "Jews will not replace us."

And then the lies begin, first by a leading KKK representative and then repeated by our Republican President.

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1. Very fine people
Duke (Aug. 14):
“And those courageous men that went to Virginia to stand at the statue of one of our great heroes Robert E. Lee, many of them paid a price. And they were very brave and wonderful people.”

Trump (Aug. 15):
“But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group — excuse me, excuse me — I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”
2. Violence from the so-called “alt-left”
Duke (Aug. 14):
Robert E Lee is NOT a great American hero. Robert E Lee was a traitor that lead the Army of Northern Virginia in an armed insurrection against the Constitutional government of the Unites States. Had it not been for Lincoln's executive pardons for those that found and/or supported this armed insurrection of "White Supremacists" we can easily state that Robert E Lee would have been prosecuted for treason and executed at the end of the Civil War. We do not honor people like Robert E Lee that was personally responsible for the deaths of over 23,000 American soldiers in just one three day battle (Gettysburg).

We honor American soldiers that die defending the US Constitution and not those responsible for their deaths.

Duke refers to the Neo-Nazi White Nationalists/White Supremacists demonstrators as "courageous men" that went to stand at the statue of one of the greatest TRAITORS in American history.

Republican President Donald Trump stated that there were "very fine people on both sides" in his statement but when a reporter asked the White House who were the "fine people" in the crowd of Neo-Nazi White Nationalists/White Supremacists the White House was unable to provide even a single example.

But let's not stop there.

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2. Violence from the so-called “alt-left”
Duke (Aug. 14):


“When you’re under attack by somebody with baseball bats trying to bash your brains out, for God’s sakes, you panic ….”


“They were attacked unmercifully just as Trump supporters were attacked in Chicago”

“I have urged nonviolence, but I can tell you this. People do have a right to defend themselves.”

“Mr. Trump, okay you’ve denounced us now. So denounce the Antifa and the Black Lives Matter terrorists. That’s what we’re asking you, President Trump.”

Trump (Aug. 15):
“What about the alt-left that came charging at — Excuse me — What about the alt-left that came charging at the, as you say, the alt-right? Do they have any semblance of guilt? Let me ask you this: What about the fact that they came charging, that they came charging with clubs in their hands swinging clubs?”

“You see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group too.”
“You had a group on the other side that came charging in without a permit and they were very, very violent.”

“But there is another side. There was a group on this side, you can call them the left. You have just called them the left, that came violently attacking the other group.”
When it Comes to Charlottesville, Trump and Duke Sound Alike

David Duke, as the recognized co-leader of the "Unite the White" demonstrators, where no 'fine people" can be identified, called ANTIFA the "Left" and Republican President Donald Trump called ANTIFA the "Left" but ANTIFA was not a part of the organized "American" nonviolent civil rights counter-demonstration against the Neo-Nazi white nationalists/white supremacists.

The only "fine people" in Charlottesville were the members of organized American nonviolent civil rights counter-demonstration that opposed both the Neo-Nazi white nationalists/white supremacists and the communist/anarchists of ANTIFA.

So please stop the BS false equivalency between non-violent AMERICANS demonstrating and the Anti-Americans that embrace violence and terrorism in America. The Americans (overwhelmingly "Democrats" or Democrat leaning) were the only "fine people" and the Anti-American are not "fine people" in Charlottesville.

Obviously we want more "fine people" to show up at these events and Republicans (or Republican leaning individuals) that are "Americans" would be very welcome at these events, The issue isn't about the Anti-Americans but instead is about the "Americans" that are unwilling to oppose the Anti-Americanism of the KKK, Alt-Right, and other Neo-Nazi white nationalist/ white supremacists AND the communist/anarchist of ANTIFA. So where are the 'fine people" of Republicans in America?
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