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As a Presidential candidate, Donald Trump led a charmed existence. Whatever he said, no matter how outrageous, it didn’t seem to hurt him. He could insult his Republican opponents, make misogynistic comments about female journalists, call for a ban on Muslims entering the United States, describe Mexican immigrants as rapists and murderers, trot out blatant falsehoods by the dozen, encourage the Russians to hack Hillary Clinton’s e-mail account—none of it proved damaging to his candidacy. As he famously remarked, it was as if he could go out and shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue “and I wouldn’t lose voters.” Now things have changed. He might never admit it, but Trump has belatedly discovered a basic principle of politics: words matter. They matter so much, in fact, that they can make or break a Presidency. That’s why every one of his predecessors—during the modern era, at least—has chosen his words carefully. It took a few weeks for it to become clear that President Trump, as opposed to candidate Trump, would be subject to this principle. But, at this stage, there can be no doubt about it. Virtually every day brings a fresh example of his own loose words coming back to hurt him.

Take the legal setback to the Administration’s revised travel ban, which was supposed to go into effect on Thursday. Derrick Kahala Watson, the federal judge in Hawaii who, on Wednesday, halted the measure on constitutional grounds, said that the public record “includes significant and unrebutted evidence of religious animus driving the promulgation of the Executive Order.” Among other things, Watson cited a Trump campaign document that said, “Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.” On Thursday, another federal judge, Theodore D. Chuang, of Maryland, issued a separate injunction against the revised ban. Citing statements from Trump and his advisers, Chuang said that they indicated the new executive order represented “the realization of the long-envisioned Muslim ban.”

It doesn’t stop there. As Slate’s Mark Joseph Stern has pointed out, even a staunchly conservative judge who has taken the Administration’s side in the fight over the travel bans has criticized some of Trump’s public statements. Earlier this week, in a dissent from a Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruling against the original ban, Judge Jay Bybee strongly condemned the President’s attacks on James Robart, the district-court judge in Seattle who originally halted the ban. (On Twitter, Trump had referred to Robart as “a so-called judge” and called his ruling “ridiculous.”) “The personal attacks on the distinguished district judge and our colleagues were out of all bounds of civic and persuasive discourse—particularly when they came from the parties,” Bybee, who worked in the George W. Bush Administration, wrote. “Such personal attacks treat the court as though it were merely a political forum in which bargaining, compromise, and even intimidation are acceptable principles. The courts of law must be more than that, or we are not governed by law at all.” So far, then, the words that Trump has used to bully and berate the judiciary have succeeded only in encouraging judges to display their independence, with disastrous results for his Administration. And something similar has happened in response to his effort to divert attention from his Russia woes by accusing his predecessor, Barack Obama, of bugging Trump Tower.

Two weeks ago, in a series of early morning tweets, Trump declared that “President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!” Perhaps he thought that no one would interrogate his words. Or perhaps he wasn’t thinking at all. In any case, the White House spokesman Sean Spicer later compounded the error by calling on Congress to investigate Trump’s charges. The House and Senate intelligence committees did what Spicer asked, and on Thursday the heads of the Senate committee—the Republican Richard Burr and the Democrat Mark Warner—issued a joint statement that said, “Based on the information available to us, we see no indications that Trump Tower was the subject of surveillance by any element of the United States government either before or after Election Day 2016.” After that, you might have thought that Trump and his aides would decide to exercise a bit more caution in what they said. Not a bit of it. At his daily briefing on Thursday afternoon, Spicer said that the President “stands by” his bugging accusations. By way of trying to prove that these accusations were reasonable, Spicer also read out some comments made by Andrew Napolitano, a Fox News commentator, in which Napolitano claimed, without citing any evidence, that Obama had asked G.C.H.Q., Britain’s version of the National Security Agency, to bug Trump.

Spicer’s briefing created yet more embarrassment for the White House. G.C.H.Q. issued a rare public statement, in which it said that Napolitano’s claims were “utterly ridiculous and should be ignored.” In response to reporters’ inquiries, a spokesman for Theresa May, the British Prime Minister, repeated the word “nonsense,” and added, “We have made this clear to the administration, and have received assurances that these allegations will not be repeated.” On Friday morning, there were reports, subsequently denied by Trump aides, that the United States had issued a formal apology to Britain. What can’t be denied is that, yet again, the White House is in the soup. The President and his aides now know that words and truth do matter. Yet they continue to act as if they are oblivious. At a press conference with Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, on Friday afternoon, a German reporter asked Trump, “Why do you keep saying things you know are not true?” Trump didn’t answer directly. When another German reporter asked Trump about the White House citing claims that the British government bugged him, he refused to take responsibility. “We said nothing,” he said. “All we did was quote a certain very talented legal mind who was the one responsible for saying that on television. I didn’t make an opinion on it.” And, once again, Trump refused to back off the discredited claim that Obama bugged him. Looking at Merkel, whose phone the N.S.A. reportedly tapped for years, he said, jokingly, “At least we have something in common, perhaps.” Of course, it’s no joke. But will he ever learn?
It has become obvious that Donald Trump appointed the people he did to his White House staff because they, like him, are habitual liars.

Every word Trump utters will be fact-checked and he will be held publicly accountable for all of his lies, exaggerations, and hyperbole.
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He can't handle the pressure.
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Blatently activist judges I believe will become the last hope for the liberals. They are a problem. You can't vote them out. Barring shooting, that leaves impeachment, unlikely, and waiting for them to retire or die then replace.

Another alternative might be to quickly replace Scalia and make it a point to bring all these cases to the SC. The travel suspension for one is clearly a function of the executive branch, not the judicial. This should be on its way up the ladder to a 5-4 SCOTUS.,
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After reading the article, I'm still waiting to read the "price" Trump paid for anything he said. The only people obsessed over this stuff is mainly the far left and two big media outlets.
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After reading the article, I'm still waiting to read the "price" Trump paid for anything he said.

I think the wire tap stuff would qualify .

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The only people obsessed over this stuff is mainly the far left and two big media outlets.
Can you link anything to this?
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Blatently activist judges I believe will become the last hope for the liberals. They are a problem. You can't vote them out. Barring shooting, that leaves impeachment, unlikely, and waiting for them to retire or die then replace.

Another alternative might be to quickly replace Scalia and make it a point to bring all these cases to the SC. The travel suspension for one is clearly a function of the executive branch, not the judicial. This should be on its way up the ladder to a 5-4 SCOTUS.,
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Can you link anything to this?
It's not a matter that requires any links. Who else IS obsessed with it, other than CNN, MSNBC, and you all on the far left?
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It's not a matter that requires any links. Who else IS obsessed with it, other than CNN, MSNBC, and you all on the far left?
I think it is Trump that is OCD on this:

Fox News: ‘No evidence of any kind’ that Obama wiretapped Trump - POLITICO
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It has become obvious that Donald Trump appointed the people he did to his White House staff because they, like him, are habitual liars.

Every word Trump utters will be fact-checked and he will be held publicly accountable for all of his lies, exaggerations, and hyperbole.
I believe it's inappropriate to categorize President Trump as a habitual liar. The habitual liar knows that what they say is false but Trump believes what he's saying is the truth and continues to believe it's the truth even when the evidence is presented to him that it's not. We've seen this repeatedly in his behavior.

When confronted with the fact that he didn't win with a huge Electoral College vote was presented to him he continued to believe he had by stating that very knowledgeable people said he did. To this day he still believes he had a huge Electoral College win, When confronted with the facts that the British intelligence didn't spy on him at the request of former President Obama it didn't change his belief. He avoided accepting that by saying to talk to Fox News (that had confirmed they had no evidence of the British spying on Trump). Trump believed that Obama spied on him and no amount of evidence will convince him otherwise.

Donald Trump literally believes that a person being a Muslim automatically establishes that they're a terrorist threat to the United States in spite of the fact that it doesn't. He believes that the Muslims born in the countries on his travel ban are a terrorist threat to the United States even though citizenship in those countries is not an indication of a terrorist threat. He believes our visa processes are seriously flawed and allowing terrorists into the United States even though there's no evidence for it. He's outraged that anyone can't see what he "knows to be true" and that they'd question him by demanding evidence that he doesn't need (and that doesn't exist). No amount of evidence to the contrary will ever convince Trump that he's wrong.

Donald Trump literally believes the things he's saying and no amount of truth or facts will change that.

By categorizing his behavior as "habitual lying" it masks the fact that Trump is suffering from severe mental illness and is living in the delusional world of malignant narcissism. It's dangerous for Americans to simply try to explain away this behavior as if it's something a basically sane person might be guilty of. Donald Trump isn't "lying" because he absolutely believes everything he says and he will continue to believe it even when the evidence is piled in front of him that he's wrong. He has never to my knowledge ever admitted that anything he's said was every incorrect because his mental illness will never allow him to believe that anything he's said could be incorrect.
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After reading the article, I'm still waiting to read the "price" Trump paid for anything he said.
Trump hasn't paid any "price" personally because he's incapable of even understanding that so much of what he believes is delusional.

The price being paid is by those that voted for Donald Trump, arguably to prevent Clinton from being elected as opposed to actually supporting Donald Trump, because they're beginning to realize it was a huge mistake - They help elect a person that is mentally incapable of making rational decisions because he's living in a delusional world.

The price being paid is by the Republicans in Congress that are slowly beginning to realize that Trump['s incapable of rational leadership and that he's endangering the United States.

The price being paid is by Americans that realized that "deconstructing the administrative state" is politi-speak for saying "destroy the government of the United States" and that Steve Bannon and Donald Trump are the most serious threat to the Constitutional government of the United States in American history.

Most Republicans want less government and less regulation while Steve Bannon and Donald Trump want no government and no regulation. Trump's budget has proposed eliminating 19 federal agencies and it's not about saving money. Here's examples of what's on the chopping block:

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Overseas Private Investment Corporation
FY 2017 Budget: Self-sustaining
Cost Per American: $0

This agency has actually returned $1.6 billion to the Treasury since 2010. As MONEY laid out in January, using both loans and loan guarantees, OPIC works to help businesses with annual revenues below $400 million invest in “large scale” operations, such as airports and water systems. “Over the past five years, 71 percent of OPIC projects were in partnership with U.S. small businesses, accounting for over $600 million annually in U.S. exports,” according to the State Department. One recent OPIC effort, for instance, provided an $87 million, 17-year loan, to a U.S. company, Al Tamweel Al Saree, to extend loans to micro and small-sized Iraqi businesses.
Let's see - doesn't cost taxpayers a dime, provides assistance to US companies the majority of the time. and actually provides revenue to the US Treasury. What's the Republican logic for eliminating it?

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U.S. Trade and Development Agency
FY 2017 Budget: $80.7 million
Cost Per American: $0.25

Trump made his political name with an antagonistic stance on free trade. It stands to reason, then, his administration wants to kill the USTDA, which helps U.S. business sell goods to developing and mid-market economies across the world. The agency estimated that it helped foster nearly $12 billion in new U.S. exports in 2015 and supported nearly 66,000 jobs.
The U.S. Trade and Development Agency helps reduce our trade deficit by increasing exports and supports tens of thousands of US jobs. What's the Republican logic for eliminating it?

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Inter-American Foundation
FY 2017 Budget: $22.2 million
Cost Per American: $0.07

This agency helps fund programs in Latin America and the Caribbean in an effort to help those citizens improve their lives.
Billions for border enforcement but we can't afford a few million dollars to help make life better in Latin America so the people won't leave and try to come to the United States? What's the logic Republican logic for eliminating it?

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U.S. Institute of Peace
FY 2017 Budget: $37.9 million
Cost Per American: $0.12

Part of the State Department, USIP’s mission is to make the world less violent. The agency works around the globe, and recently has been bringing together government officials, civic leaders, and academics in Nigeria to come to an agreement on how to reduce violence in the nation’s north by terrorists like Boko Haram.
Hundreds of billions of dollars to fund the ability to wage war but not even $40 million to prevent war? What's the Republican logic against preventing or ending war and conflict?

Trumps Budget Eliminates These 19 Federal Agencies. Heres What They Do And Cost

This isn't about reducing the size and scope of government based upon rational thinking. This is exclusively about ending government one step at a time.
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