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Old 10-01-2008, 10:46 PM
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MORE THAN A FEW people have been puzzled by Sen. John McCain's dogged opposition to the updated GI Bill of Rights now before Congress. The dissonance between McCain's military-man image and his actions on this issue have introduced a jarring note to his presidential aspirations -- and have highlighted the shoddy treatment many Iraq war veterans have received.
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The original GI Bill -- signed into law in 1944 -- was one of the most important laws every adopted by Congress. It transformed the nation after World War II in epic fashion, with generous college benefits, stipends, subsidized mortgages, business loans and job training and placement.

Veterans got free rides to any college that would accept them. Tuition, books, housing and living expenses were all covered, giving rise to a new generation of scientists, inventors, teachers, doctors, civic leaders and artists. Low-interest, no-money-down home loans backed by the government made it cheaper to buy than to rent. Suburbia, widespread homeownership, college as a majority aspiration, the middle class -- all were built on the back of the GI Bill.
It reinvented the American dream. Bob Dole and George McGovern went to school on the GI Bill. So did Clint Eastwood and Paul Newman. So did 14 Nobel Prize winners. So did 7 million other World War II veterans.
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Today's GI Bill, however, is a pale shadow of the original, particularly when it comes to college, as Congress has not kept the benefits in line with the rising cost of higher education. The World War II-era living stipend is gone; in its place, members of the military must agree to a $100 monthly payroll deduction to receive the college aid. An education benefit that sent WWII vets to Yale now won't cover four years at the average public university, though many recruits don't understand this when they sign up.
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Why would a Vietnam War veteran and former prisoner of war, a man who is personally acquainted with the difficulties vets can face in returning to civilian life, join President Bush in opposing a popular bipartisan bill to support the troops? Isn't fixing the education benefit in the bill -- one that has shortchanged far too many veterans for years -- a political no-brainer in an election year?
McCain's attack on vets - Los Angeles Times

Beats the heck out of me. What is your opinion? Does he have some good reason for this?
This speaks to one of the glaring differences I see between Democrats and Republicans (at least traditionally). Newt Gingrich also went to school on government grants, yet has opposed them for modern students. You also never hear a Republican say they won't accept social security, but they have tried to cut, change or get rid of that for many years.
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Old 10-02-2008, 03:28 AM
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This came up a few months ago...I addressed it then...

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McCain is absolutely correct, and here's why...

The Democrats are pushing a bill that gives two things that are more detrimental to the government than helpful...

1) If someone in the military becomes eligible for college tuition but dies, the tuition can be transferred to that person's wife or kids...

Bullshit!...Being a member of a military family (while honorable) is not the same a being a member of the military...This would cost the government millions (billions) for an education to people that didn't even sign up...

And MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more important...

The Democrats are pushing for FULL college tuition to people who've served in the military for as little as 3 years...

Pushing costs aside for a second, do you realize what that would actually DO to the military??????

No. one. would. want. to. STAY!!!!!

Doing this is giving every person in the military an incentive TO LEAVE THE MILITARY!!!

Why on earth would a military person WANT to stay in the service of their country when their country is giving away free degrees to the private sector?!?!?!

This crap will cause a DESERTION from military members who would otherwise stay and move up the ranks...That will cause a complate lack of qualified officers within 10 years and a major negative turn in the amount of people who re-enlist...

America loses...
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This came up a few months ago...I addressed it then...
So what you're saying is instead of compromising a little and signing a bill for our vets to get something for their service, he threw away his vote on a technicality.
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People forget that the GI bill helped make us strong. Eduacating Amricans pays off huge. Much more then bailing them out.
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People forget that the GI bill helped make us strong. Eduacating Amricans pays off huge. Much more then bailing them out.


Returning vets and the benefits they were afforded in education built the economic prosperity of the 50's and 60's.
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Mccain opposed the bill because it would WEAKEN our military but of course we don't need any strength there do we.

Simply put if there is NO incentive to stay you are a fool to stay. Just because the taxpayers spend billions "training" our military they just can't expect them to stay. By the way the GI bill was begun because of the DRAFT.
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Returning vets and the benefits they were afforded in education built the economic prosperity of the 50's and 60's.
Put me through college.
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Put me through college.
Its one of the best investments we ever made as a nation. It was ludicrous to oppose it because you are playing with peoples future.


Why does McCain hate our troops...ha ha ha
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Its one of the best investments we ever made as a nation. It was ludicrous to oppose it because you are playing with peoples future.


Why does McCain hate our troops...ha ha ha
Why don't we just "socialize" our Universities like you want to do our healthcare? They should ALL be FREE not only to us but to everyone in the world. I would actually go along with this but it would lead to even FURTHER deterioration of our education system.
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Why don't we just "socialize" our Universities like you want to do our healthcare? They should ALL be FREE not only to us but to everyone in the world. I would actually go along with this but it would lead to even FURTHER deterioration of our education system.
I think vouchers on all levels of education would be good as long as the playing field is even meaning that all entities have to meet federal requirements for special education and title 9 and such...
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