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Sooooooo no more inexperienced black men from Chicago in the White House. That's what we decided, right?
No black men unless they are right wingers actually. And then only vote for one to prove you aren't racist. Not because they are any good.

BTW I keep pointing out that they guys who ruined the country had heeps of experience. Also, Obama isn't from Chicago. He worked there. For your knowledge Chicago is America.
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no more black presidents unless they are uncle toms
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And then only vote for one to prove you aren't racist.
I bang black chicks to prove I'm not racist. Way more exciting than donating to the UNCF.
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I bang black chicks to prove I'm not racist. Way more exciting than donating to the UNCF.
like that would prove you're not racist white men have been doing that in this country for 400 years
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This is reality Mikeyy.
Being a hater has nothing to do with it.
Being awake and watching the world turn under this administration does.
I wish you'd see that hun.
I'm not a hater, I actually voted for Obama in 2008…

What I am is very disappointed years later because I had high hopes for the young man... He can give a good speech but, he just doesn't have it as a leader concerning day to day issues in real time. I think he has surrounded himself with a terrible cabinet and they just seem to be a day late and a dollar short far too often….

I guess I was spoiled by Bill Clinton. That man was a brilliant communicator. He can do a half hour on any subject off the top of his head with out any teleprompter and still sound presidential. Obama will never be that good and I had hopes he would….Oh well,

I'm ready for Barack and Michelle to ride off in 2016...
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I think the country is better off. He doesn't sell it well but it's true. The economy is better. Peoples retirements are back in their accounts. The ACA wasn't as bad as people claimed. The bailouts payed off. Everything else has been stalled by republicans. We stayed out of all the wars McCain would have got us in. Romney's trickle down would have put us in deeper debt. It's my view the right has stalled any more progress. I haven't seen them offer to help him do squat. Even though we need infrastructure. So he tries to do what he can alone and then gets trashed for that. What hasn't he been willing to do?
Anyway, I have seen the writing on the wall. So I say he needs to just chill out. He has no support and because of that he hasn't been able to do more. It doesn't seem likely they will ever work with him so there it is.

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I'm not a hater, I actually voted for Obama in 2008…

What I am is very disappointed years later because I had high hopes for the young man... He can give a good speech but, he just doesn't have it as a leader concerning day to day issues in real time. I think he has surrounded himself with a terrible cabinet and they just seem to be a day late and a dollar short far too often….

I guess I was spoiled by Bill Clinton. That man was a brilliant communicator. He can do a half hour on any subject off the top of his head with out any teleprompter and still sound presidential. Obama will never be that good and I had hopes he would….Oh well,

I'm ready for Barack and Michelle to ride off in 2016...
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You waste your time trying to convince me of things I don't believe. You talk about Obama's policies being the problem. Like the rest you refuse to address anything I post. The FACT that the right met and planned to undermine this POTUS out of pure partisanship. This had nothing to do with his policies because they vowed to do this regardless of his policies. The only major legislation he passed the first two years was the ACA. The right didn't work with him on that. They simply said his plan was bad and theirs was better. Even though they never really had a plan. They created an alternative as a cover. Never considering to work with him. Then they spent the next 3 years trying to stomp out the law they refused to be a part of. Other than that there was no major legislation. They backed out of the grand bargain. They played games with things they never did before like the debt ceiling. A move that ended up hurting the country.

Then there is the lies from the right. Like he has signed more EO;s. Or he is wanting to take your guns. Or he is the liar in chief. I just pointed to lies by other presidents that led to wars and deaths of Americans yet the far right says Obama is worse. The lie that the ACA is a government take over of healthcare when all it is is a exchange. The law addressed some things Americans needed like having preexisting conditions covered. Burt the government never took over your healthcare. So the right has lied and did all they could to undermine this POTUS.

You say that my view that the POTUS should just ride out the rest of his presidency is wrong and would hurt the country. Well too bad. The congress has done that for years now and that doesn't seem to bother anyone on the right. In fact they celebrate the fact when it's pointed out. They say things like "Good, the less they do the better". If that is good enough for congress then I say it's time Obama join them and go on recess for the next two years. I mean what difference does it make at this point. The right has made it so he gets no support no matter what he does. If they are simply going to undermine his efforts why keep beating yourself? If congress wants to go to war with someone let them vote for a war and the President will order it done. If the congress wants to hand over the government to big business let them vote for it. Obama doesn't even need to sign it. They can immediately over ride his veto and they can do it anyway. It's really what they want so let them have it. It'll be better for the country because what the right has done to our country just trying to hurt this presidency has hurt the country. So take the POTUS out of the mix. Less reason to do nothing. Let them drive the car.
This is just a rant Mikeyy and you know it. First, it is the Democratic Congress which refuses to even let the House bills out onto the Congressional floor for debate, so a decision can be made on them. Harry Reid has an in-basket full of measures the House has passed, and he keeps sitting on them. Even if the President doesn't agree with the bills, they still need to be debated, and either passed and sent on to him for approval or veto. That is the Congressional gridlock, not the House Republican's. As for a plot to undermine Mr. Obama from the start? He won the election in 2008 huge, with astonishing public approval ratings. The Reagan Democrats and the Black community pushed him into office easily. John McCain would have been a fine President, but his VP choice - well - the less said about her, the better, the liberal media did one of the most destructive hatchet jobs on Palin ever conducted in American politics. The President had a Democratic controlled Congress his first two years in office, the Republicans couldn't stop his policies, and he didn't do a particularly good job of selling his programs, or even cooperating with Congress. Then the GOP Tea Party moved in and took the House of Representatives, away, and they decided not to work with him, but put forth their own agenda, stopped repeatedly by the Senate Democratic leader, Harry Reid.

The man's inexperience in governing, coupled by bad political decisions, like burying Fast & Furious; the IRS scandal; the Benghazi lie; the NSA scandal; Snowden getting away with who knows what type of intelligence to Russia, and the "kick-the-can" down the road fiscal crisis, which cost America it's AAA credit rating, unheard of. The President, had he been willing to compromise at all, should have had that fiscal matter done and over with six months before it even became a political topic.

Face it, although particularly popular, and adored by the media, and reelected to the office, most of Mr. Obama's mistakes have been self inflicted, a reflection of two things. Inexperience in leadership and coalition building, and a refusal to compromise even a little on any matter whatsoever. He has kept us far left since taking office, and hasn't learned to move his agenda toward the center, which is where most American's, myself included, maintain their political agenda. Saying he should throw in the towel because he is being criticized is crazy, matter of fact, the public really hasn't hammered him hard enough as these problem and scandals come home to the White House doorstep. He hasn't performed as America expected him to - that's a chance we take with any elected leader - but most of them at some point learn to adjust their position's, admit their mistakes, and move in the direction required of the country.

If you really want Mr. Obama to toss in the towel and party for two years, you will have a massive GOP majority in Congress, both houses, and a Republican in the White House in 2016. Odds are, the country won't vote Democratic for 12-straight years, unless Obama steps up in the final two years and hits one out of the park. Unfortunately, at the present, he seems reluctant to lead, and that is worse than a poor leader.......STFN
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STFAN;691201]This is just a rant Mikeyy and you know it. First, it is the Democratic Congress which refuses to even let the House bills out onto the Congressional floor for debate, so a decision can be made on them. Harry Reid has an in-basket full of measures the House has passed, and he keeps sitting on them. Even if the President doesn't agree with the bills, they still need to be debated, and either passed and sent on to him for approval or veto. That is the Congressional gridlock, not the House Republican's. As for a plot to undermine Mr. Obama from the start? He won the election in 2008 huge, with astonishing public approval ratings. The Reagan Democrats and the Black community pushed him into office easily. John McCain would have been a fine President, but his VP choice - well - the less said about her, the better, the liberal media did one of the most destructive hatchet jobs on Palin ever conducted in American politics. The President had a Democratic controlled Congress his first two years in office, the Republicans couldn't stop his policies, and he didn't do a particularly good job of selling his programs, or even cooperating with Congress. Then the GOP Tea Party moved in and took the House of Representatives, away, and they decided not to work with him, but put forth their own agenda, stopped repeatedly by the Senate Democratic leader, Harry Reid.
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The man's inexperience in governing, coupled by bad political decisions, like burying Fast & Furious; the IRS scandal; the Benghazi lie; the NSA scandal; Snowden getting away with who knows what type of intelligence to Russia, and the "kick-the-can" down the road fiscal crisis, which cost America it's AAA credit rating, unheard of. The President, had he been willing to compromise at all, should have had that fiscal matter done and over with six months before it even became a political topic.
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Face it, although particularly popular, and adored by the media, and reelected to the office, most of Mr. Obama's mistakes have been self inflicted, a reflection of two things. Inexperience in leadership and coalition building, and a refusal to compromise even a little on any matter whatsoever. He has kept us far left since taking office, and hasn't learned to move his agenda toward the center, which is where most American's, myself included, maintain their political agenda. Saying he should throw in the towel because he is being criticized is crazy, matter of fact, the public really hasn't hammered him hard enough as these problem and scandals come home to the White House doorstep. He hasn't performed as America expected him to - that's a chance we take with any elected leader - but most of them at some point learn to adjust their position's, admit their mistakes, and move in the direction required of the country.

If you really want Mr. Obama to toss in the towel and party for two years, you will have a massive GOP majority in Congress, both houses, and a Republican in the White House in 2016. Odds are, the country won't vote Democratic for 12-straight years, unless Obama steps up in the final two years and hits one out of the park. Unfortunately, at the present, he seems reluctant to lead, and that is worse than a poor leader.......STFN
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I bang black chicks to prove I'm not racist. Way more exciting than donating to the UNCF.
Well, I was going to comment about the Bad Influence moniker and the Hairy Jello, but decided it would be either too cruel, or too funny. Follow Chris Rock's lead on this one - "if you see a young black chick with an older white guy, you know he has money, and she has real bad credit."....STFN
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